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To: count-your-change
WHAT was believed had to be the truth

Well, yes. It is truth. The point is, everything the Church tells us you have to take on faith. If you thinkthe Church lies to you about Mary, why do you believe the Church when she gives you the Gospel? The source is the same.

5,225 posted on 12/12/2010 6:34:05 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; count-your-change; Quix; Forest Keeper; metmom

“The point is, everything the Church tells us you have to take on faith. If you think the Church lies to you about Mary, why do you believe the Church when she gives you the Gospel? The source is the same.”

That i think is called a genesis fallacy, that the source of a truth renders all that is says to be true, by which logic (in the above context) we must submit to Judaism out of whom the Scriptures first flowed and who were explicitly stated to be the stewards of them. (R. 3:2; 9:4)

The reality is that no where is it stated that all the church ever teaches on faith and morals will be assuredly infallible (nor that is authenticity is based upon formal historical linkage, versus Biblical faith), but only one objective source is, that being Scripture. (2Tim. 3:16)

That does not mean the church cannot teach infallible truth, and the N.T., church did, being soundly substantiated by Scripture and Divine attestation (Acts 15) and which we know because it is in the Scriptures.

But the problem is that of an assuredly infallible magisterium, which i abbreviated as AIM, in which the office has infallibly defined that it is infallible whenever it speaks in accordance with its infallibly declared (scope and content based) criteria. Which renders its declaration that it is infallible, to be infallible, as well as (in the eyes of some) the interpretation of whatever sources it invokes in support of it. By which autocracy they are immune to examination, and thus RC’s are discouraged to do as the Berean’s did in order to ascertain the veracity of is promulgations.

But which authority the Pharisees could have justified its Korban rule, (Mk. 7:7-13) and it is by such that Rome’s praying to saints and Mariology effectively is.


5,381 posted on 12/14/2010 3:36:24 PM PST by daniel1212 ( ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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