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To: MarkBsnr

It isn’t an insult if it is true.


#1Since this is Catholic doctrine and part of the Catechism:

“The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. ‘The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day’
(so muslims have a plan of salvation )

#2 And this is also Catholic doctrine :
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved” -Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215
(you know that whole Papal Infallibility thing)

I get it now according to Catholics the Protestants are heretics cause they won’t bow to the Pope but muslims are in the plan of salvation even though they don’t bow down to the Pope . (Oh wait the Pope bowed down and kissed the muslim book )

In the swamp we at have the learnin’ that these two things are Papal contradictions .

Now remember your own words -It isn’t an insult if it is true.


4,920 posted on 12/06/2010 9:09:06 PM PST by Lera
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To: Lera
#1Since this is Catholic doctrine and part of the Catechism:

“The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. ‘The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day’ (so muslims have a plan of salvation )

#2 And this is also Catholic doctrine :

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved” -Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215 (you know that whole Papal Infallibility thing)

I get it now according to Catholics the Protestants are heretics cause they won’t bow to the Pope but muslims are in the plan of salvation even though they don’t bow down to the Pope . (Oh wait the Pope bowed down and kissed the muslim book )

In the swamp we at have the learnin’ that these two things are Papal

You apparently read the Catechism as you guys read the Bible - in prooftext fashion. I will quote the relevant verses:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

The Church knows of no man who can journey to salvation without Jesus; yet it acknowledges that God has the final word on who is to be saved. It was a good try on your part, I will say. Next time, either read through the relevant verses, or look them up in order to put the bleatings of your preacher into context and we shall have more meaningful discussion.

4,961 posted on 12/07/2010 5:33:17 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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