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To: annalex; metmom; RnMomof7; presently no screen name
On Sola Scriptura, yo showed us many verses where it says that the scripture is inspired by God, is to be obeyed, and is to be studied. All this the CAtholic Church teaches also. You did not show us a verse where it says that the Church is not to teach outside of the scripture. Why? because there is none. But there is plenty of scriptural sanction for the Church to teach outside of the scripture:

I did not show you a verse "where it says that the church is not to teach outside of scripture", because it would not be necessary to a church that taught within the bounds of Scripture. For example, no scripture verse says that we should avoid going to x-rated movies. Correct? Yet we know from Scripture that we should think upon things that are good, true, honest, virtuous and pure (Phil. 4:8). We are also told to avoid the near occasion of sin, to not commit adultery (Jesus said it was in mind or body) and in whatsoever we do, we should do it to glorify God. The duty of the "church" in a teaching capacity is to guide the young in the faith to lead them in what the faith of Christ means and what living for Christ means - all we are given from Scripture, because God did not leave us without a reliable authoritative source for that truth.

However, this in no way has ever meant that the leadership of the church can confect entire doctrines our of whole cloth and require obedience and adherence to them under threat of eternal damnation. THAT was NOT the "sanction", as you call it, given to the church. Nothing should be taught that is in contradiction of Holy Scripture. This "Sola Scriptura is a superstition that is contrary to scripture" garbage is just that, garbage. We know that because our Lord himself referred to "it is written" whenever a question of faith came up. There were certainly numerous ECFs that taught and believed that as well. I wonder why you all are SO adverse to the idea that Scripture is the sole source for doctrines of the faith seeing as how you constantly assert that nothing the "Church" teaches is contrary to Scripture anyway. Those of us who know better see right through that contention, yet it still strikes me as strange that you object to the concept that the Holy Bible remains the authority for truths of the Christian faith.

Finally, get over your blindness concerning "sola fide". The few verses you constantly cite to "prove" your assertion that salvation comes through faith AND good works is obliterated by hundreds of Scriptures that say it is by faith alone that we are saved. We know that James is speaking TO believers ABOUT how their faith is observed by others. True faith DOES result in a changed life and that is how we can see that faith is genuine. You do a great disservice to all in twisting it to mean that somehow whatever deeds we do assist with the sacrifice of our Savior Jesus Christ. When you do that you are frustrating the grace of God himself because you think that righteousness comes by works and in doing that, you are essentially saying Christ's death is in vain (Gal. 2:21).

4,908 posted on 12/06/2010 4:45:37 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; metmom; RnMomof7; presently no screen name
this in no way has ever meant that the leadership of the church can confect entire doctrines our of whole cloth and require obedience and adherence to them

True; the Church is authorized by God to teach the truth, whether contained in the scripture or not, but it is not authorized to teach stuff "out of the whole cloth", that is contradictory to the Holy Tradition or the Holy Scripture. So the Church doesn't.

Which stands in contrast with Protestantism that invented doctrines expressly denied in the Scripture and unconnected to the Holy Tradition, such as anticlericalism and the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. There are traditions of men condemned in Mark 7:5-8: theories that give the countless "ministers" something to do, invented for their comfort and for nothing else.

I wonder why you all are SO adverse to the idea that Scripture is the sole source for doctrines of the faith seeing as how you constantly assert that nothing the "Church" teaches is contrary to Scripture anyway.

I am adverse to the former because it contradicts the scripture. I assert that the Church teaches nothing that contradicts the scripture for the same reason: that the scripture is an accurate reflection of the Apostolic faith any anything that contradicts it contradicts the Apostolic faith and therefore is of the devil.

hundreds of Scriptures that say it is by faith alone that we are saved

Scripture never "obliterates" scripture. What kind of faith in Jesus Christ your Savior do you have if you think that He taught in one place something that needed obliterating in another? The scripture says once, "by works a man is justified; and not by faith only" (James 2:24); it is in context, an entire paragraph is spent on that idea, and so that is the truth, and you if obey the scripture so much, obey this one.

There is not a single verse that teaches that we are saved by faith alone. Not one. Stop pretending there is one let alone "hundreds". This is why the credibility of the Prtestants charlatans is at zero: you claim to know the scripture, but you make naked false statements like that and not bring even one of these supposedly "hundred" "obliterating" verses up. You have no shame.

5,158 posted on 12/11/2010 1:19:20 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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