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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; ...
If God really doesn't care to lead us, but rather only a few men, then we should just presume to blindly follow what other fallible men say.

The fatal flaw with that action is that just any group of men can come along and claim to be instructed by God, lead by God, inspired by God and how does the laity discern this? Do we just blindly follow on their say so? That didn't work out so well for the followers of Jim Jones and other cult leaders. The blind following the blind.

That's the reason it is so critical to have ONE source of recognized truth to refer back to and correct doctrine against.

The written word of God does not change. Doctrines of denominations do. I've heard pastors from the pulpit preach and tell the congregation to not just take their word for it that it's even in the Bible but to read and study it for themselves and if they think the he (the pastor) is in error, to approach him and show him and they will discuss it.

That's the pastor recognizing that he's human and subject to error, just like any man. That's accountability and someone who takes their responsibility seriously.

That's something I don't see happening in the Catholic church. The laity is so intimidated by their priests and so in awe of their position, that I can't imagine any of them daring to challenge them. I've seen all kinds of questionable behavior excused by the laity because if the priest did it, he wouldn't sin so it must be OK.

4,890 posted on 12/06/2010 10:03:14 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I've seen all kinds of questionable behavior excused by the laity because if the priest did it, he wouldn't sin so it must be OK.

Exactly...years ago there was a Priest in the small community I lived who use to be seen out and about with a young teenager. I asked why he was always with him...they (catholics within his church) said he had taken the young man in to help him thru some difficult times in his life...but the clencher was they also said not uncommon for this Priest to have a boy toy and that was what this was about. He sought out troubled teens and took them home to his cave. They whole Parish knew about this and they simply stated it was just accepted as it is. I wonder if the Priest was as acommodating to his Parish members when they sinned?

4,892 posted on 12/06/2010 10:19:56 AM PST by caww
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To: metmom; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; kosta50

“”The written word of God does not change.””

It changes plenty if you are reading from the KJV,NIV etc.. as opposed directly from the Greek LXX. That coupled with the correct meanings of the written words means you’re likely to be in error going it alone interpreting scripture outside of historical interpretations of the early Church’

Common sense ought to tell you that the early Church and the Fathers saw the closest thing to anything original and lived closer to the time Christ and the Apostles ,therefore Solo Scripture makes no sense outside of the Church.

The correct INTERPRETATIONS Of Scripture is what is important ,dear mm.

I Pray all goes well with your health issues and trip to Boston.


4,896 posted on 12/06/2010 10:29:15 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: metmom
The fatal flaw with that action is that just any group of men can come along and claim to be instructed by God, lead by God, inspired by God and how does the laity discern this? Do we just blindly follow on their say so? That didn't work out so well for the followers of Jim Jones and other cult leaders. The blind following the blind.

However, when the Church, continuous since Christ claims to be led by God, we believe in the promises that He made to His church.

That's the reason it is so critical to have ONE source of recognized truth to refer back to and correct doctrine against.

And we Christians do.

That's something I don't see happening in the Catholic church. The laity is so intimidated by their priests and so in awe of their position, that I can't imagine any of them daring to challenge them. I've seen all kinds of questionable behavior excused by the laity because if the priest did it, he wouldn't sin so it must be OK.

Not in my parish. Our ex Baptist priest is very much an ally in the fight for Christianity against the liberals and those who would destroy Christianity for their own ends. My intention last week at Mass was for Archbishop, now Cardinal Burke who accepted a resignation letter from a bishop in Brazil who supported a Communist candidate. The point was that the bishop (58 years old) never submitted a resignation letter. Tough. He's gone.

We are jettisoning the trips to namby pamby land in order to find self confidence for the crybaby jackwads. I suspect that the Catholic Church of your description never existed; it sure does not exist now.

4,918 posted on 12/06/2010 7:38:26 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
That's the reason it is so critical to have ONE source of recognized truth to refer back to and correct doctrine against. The written word of God does not change. Doctrines of denominations do. I've heard pastors from the pulpit preach and tell the congregation to not just take their word for it that it's even in the Bible but to read and study it for themselves and if they think the he (the pastor) is in error, to approach him and show him and they will discuss it.

AMEN! Metmom. Our pastor says this too (the Berean approach) and it is one of the reasons I like him so much. No man and no thing is above scripture in authority. And you're right that the written word has not substantially changed over the years even with all the different translations. The Church of God as a whole by the Holy Spirit has decided which translations are faithful and which are not.

4,921 posted on 12/06/2010 10:21:02 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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