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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Metmom: Why does it anger Catholics so much that someone has enough confidence in the promises of God that he can be sure of his standing before God.

Mark: No anger. Just rejection that one can Judge one's self. That is unScriptural and unChristian. Those who believe it are not acting in a Christian manner.

But aren't we all commanded to judge ourselves for fitness and standing before God before we partake of the Lord's Supper/Eucharist? How can a Catholic partake if he judges himself as anything other than presumptively saved?

4,666 posted on 12/04/2010 8:09:24 AM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Forest Keeper
But aren't we all commanded to judge ourselves for fitness and standing before God before we partake of the Lord's Supper/Eucharist? How can a Catholic partake if he judges himself as anything other than presumptively saved?

A good question, sir. We are instructed to judge ourselves according to the teachings of the Church as to the partaking of the Eucharist, but in no way is Christ beholden to us and our judgement of ourselves. We strive, in our imitation of Christ, to be Christian. That is, or should be, continuously judged based again, upon the teachings of the Church.

4,678 posted on 12/04/2010 9:27:54 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; metmom; stfassisi
"But aren't we all commanded to judge ourselves for fitness and standing before God before we partake of the Lord's Supper/Eucharist? How can a Catholic partake if he judges himself as anything other than presumptively saved?"

FK, we can never be worthy except through Christ to receive the Eucharist. And we should never, ever, be so prideful as to believe that we are "worthy" to approach the sacred Mysteries. We never judge ourselves "presumptively saved". Here is what we Orthodox pray immediately before receiving communion:

"I believe and confess, Lord, that You are truly the Christ, the Son of the living God, who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the first. I also believe that this is truly Your pure Body and that this is truly Your precious Blood. Therefore, I pray to You, have mercy upon me, and forgive my transgressions, voluntary and involuntary, in word and deed, known and unknown. And make me worthy without condemnation to partake of Your pure Mysteries for the forgiveness of sins and for eternal life. Amen

How shall I, who am unworthy, enter into the splendor of Your saints? If I dare to enter into the bridal chamber, my clothing will accuse me, since it is not a wedding garment; and being bound up, I shall be cast out by the angels. In Your love, Lord, cleanse my soul and save me.

Loving Master, Lord Jesus Christ, my God, let not these holy Gifts be to my condemnation because of my unworthiness, but for the cleansing and sanctification of soul and body and the pledge of the future life and kingdom. It is good for me to cling to God and to place in Him the hope of my salvation. Receive me today, Son of God, as a partaker of Your mystical Supper. I will not reveal Your mystery to Your adversaries. Nor will I give You a kiss as did Judas. But as the thief I confess to You: Lord, remember me in Your Kingdom."

4,691 posted on 12/04/2010 10:23:17 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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