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To: stfassisi; Natural Law
I respect Blessed Pope John Paul II and Blessed Fulton Sheen as well,it was there words.

There is nothing novel about Catholics believing in 'man's words'. That's how they got into their mess.

Christians, however, believe in 'God's Words'. HE is ALL KNOWING God and created it all.

- Hell is conscious torment.

Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”

Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”

Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”

- Hell is eternal and irreversible.

Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”

Revelation 20:14 “This is the second death, the lake of fire”

Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”
4,032 posted on 12/01/2010 4:14:02 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name
There is nothing novel about Catholics believing in 'man's words

There is nothing substantial in believing how you interpret the Bible,since you're a human.

- Hell is conscious torment.

Loss of the ability to love forever is real conscious torment and hell

That is what burns a soul

4,036 posted on 12/01/2010 5:06:25 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: presently no screen name; stfassisi; Natural Law
Christians, however, believe in 'God's Words'. HE is ALL KNOWING God and created it all.

- Hell is conscious torment.
- Hell is eternal and irreversible.

And as awful and horrible it is to think that some loved one or anyone, for that matter, who dies in unbelief will face not annihilation, but eternal suffering in a place Jesus called Hell, it is still undeniably stressed in Scripture. It is a place our Savior gave his life for so that we could be redeemed from its grasp.

Scripture uses the word "everlasting" a great many times. It describes God as everlasting, his covenants as being everlasting, His kingdom, his majesty and his promises. Since he describes these things as being everlasting and he also speaks of "everlasting life" as being in his presence for eternity (see Luke 18:30; John 3:16,36; John 4:14; John 6:47; Romans 6:22; Galations 6:8), he also speaks of everlasting punishment, torment, death and separation(see Matthew 25:41,46; Matthew 18:8; Daniel 12:2; II Thess. 1:9; Jude 1:6). If hell was only a figurative place in which eternal separation from God meant merely ceasing to exist, I doubt many people could resist "living it up" in this world knowing that the worst that could happen to them was "becoming 'one' with the universe" or just ceasing all existence. Jesus warned us, repeatedly, as does both the OT and throughout the NT, that hell is a real place of torment and God loved us so much that he provided a way of escape from it, but we escape HIS WAY, which is the only way.

4,139 posted on 12/01/2010 9:38:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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