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To: metmom
"That’s not what the Catholic church teaches in its Catechism."

None of that is incompatible whith what I posted. I just don't believe that "fire and brimstone" nonsense and do not believe that tere is any greater punishment than being deprived of an eternity in the presence of God.

4,007 posted on 12/01/2010 11:14:13 AM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: Natural Law; metmom

“”I just don’t believe that “fire and brimstone” nonsense and do not believe that tere is any greater punishment than being deprived of an eternity in the presence of God.””

That is correct,NL

The late Blessed Pope John PaulII sums this up very well explaining the figurative pool of fire...
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_en.html

The Book of Revelation also figuratively portrays in a “pool of fire” those who exclude themselves from the book of life, thus meeting with a “second death” (Rv 20:13f.). Whoever continues to be closed to the Gospel is therefore preparing for “eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might” (2 Thes 1:9).

3. The images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: “To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell’” (n. 1033).

“Eternal damnation”, therefore, is not attributed to God’s initiative because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death that seals his choice for ever. God’s judgement ratifies this state.

4. Christian faith teaches that in taking the risk of saying “yes” or “no”, which marks the human creature’s freedom, some have already said no. They are the spiritual creatures that rebelled against God’s love and are called demons (cf. Fourth Lateran Council, DS 800-801). What happened to them is a warning to us: it is a continuous call to avoid the tragedy which leads to sin and to conform our life to that of Jesus who lived his life with a “yes” to God.

Eternal damnation remains a real possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it. The thought of hell — and even less the improper use of biblical images — must not create anxiety or despair, but is a necessary and healthy reminder of freedom within the proclamation that the risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry “Abba, Father!” (Rm 8:15; Gal 4:6).


4,022 posted on 12/01/2010 2:27:39 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Natural Law; metmom
None of that is incompatible whith what I posted. I just don't believe that "fire and brimstone" nonsense and do not believe that tere is any greater punishment than being deprived of an eternity in the presence of God.

The infamous atheist, Christopher Hitchens, would probably love this way of thinking. I heard him say that the very idea that those in heaven will sing praises to God non-stop for all eternity sounded so boring and unacceptable to him that he wanted no part of it anyway. He would be delighted to think that he will not have to face eternal misery in hell either if everyone lost is just annihilated and ceases to exist.

4,095 posted on 12/01/2010 7:49:57 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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