[Belteshazzar]

To annalex in regard to your three points made in response, respectively:

1) No, not in the sense you mean.

2) Piffle. The church of the firstborn, the children of God, the followers of the woman’s Seed, has existed since the fall into sin. If you want to say the Catholic Church was established in the upper room, go ahead, since what you are referring to is the outward structure of “church.” But that is not what Christ established in the upper room. There He put the last piece in place for the church of the fulfillment of the OT, that is, the church of the NT, which as Revelation and other places show, is one in faith with the church of the OT. On this point all 24 elders agree (said a little tongue in cheek, perhaps, but not much). He established nothing more, but surely nothing less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3) No. Simply, no.

[kosta50]

There [upper room] He put the last piece in place for the church of the fulfillment of the OT...is one in faith with the church of the OT

Except the OT church would deisagree.

[annalex]

Annalex: The men who wrote the Bible were Catohlic Christians. Belteshazzar: not in the sense you mean

They were Catholic in every important sense, as they teach through the scriptutre they wrote the Catholic doctrine without excpetion. That is the sense I meant.

Annalex: The Catohlic Church was established by Christ in the Upper Room with the descent of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles. Belteshazzar: you want to say the Catholic Church was established in the upper room, go ahead, since what you are referring to is the outward structure of “church.” But that is not what Christ established in the upper room. There He put the last piece in place for the church of the fulfillment of the OT...nothing more, but surely nothing less

I agree -- I never referred to any "outward structure". That is what was established in the Upper Room and that is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church united to the See of Peter.

Simply, no

Deep.