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To: Belteshazzar
OK, you didn’t like John on this very point, how about Jesus? “He who believes in Him (Christ) is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” (John 3:18-19)

This applies to those who willfully reject Christ(such as the Pharisees etc.),belt,not to those still searching and to the invincibly ignorant who love unconditionally.

If a person loves He abides in Christ and we can not posses authentic Love without Christ,this is reflected in 1 John many times.

We know that we can do nothing good without Christ abiding within us and the Spirit blows where He wills ,not where Belteshazzar from FR forum says the Spirit goes.

2,753 posted on 11/20/2010 10:46:55 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

stfassisi wrote:
“This applies to those who willfully reject Christ(such as the Pharisees etc.),belt,not to those still searching and to the invincibly ignorant who love unconditionally.”

You have talking points. I have Scripture. You have Thomas Aquinas and centuries of magisterially endorsed wishful thinking. I have the clear and plain words of Jesus.

I am content with what I have.


2,757 posted on 11/20/2010 11:12:26 AM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: stfassisi; Belteshazzar
This applies to those who willfully reject Christ(such as the Pharisees etc.),belt,not to those still searching and to the invincibly ignorant who love unconditionally.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

There is no one that has perfect love, that died on the cross

2,775 posted on 11/20/2010 12:34:31 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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