[bkaycee]

Catholics WON'T be laughing at your their pope. It will be an eye-opening time and maybe even some gnashing of teeth. IOW, time to reap what one has sown.

They were'nt laughing the last time it happend in 1870 when Pius decided he wanted to be infalible and split the church,

He stacked the deck with over 300 pensioned Bishops who voted for their meal ticket and rubber stamped him infallible. The purposely under represented opposition was virtually ignored in this sham of a council.

[presently no screen name]

in 1870 when Pius decided he wanted to be infallible and split the church,

OH, so that's when this heresy entered in.

He stacked the deck with over 300 pensioned Bishops who voted for their meal ticket and rubber stamped him infallible. The purposely under represented opposition was virtually ignored in this sham of a council.

Exactly what we see in this BHO administration. Thank you, bkaycee, for that 'historic' info. "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

Exodus 23:8 "And you shall take no bribe, for a bribe blinds the clear-sighted and subverts the cause of those who are in the right."

[stfassisi]

“”They were’nt laughing the last time it happend in 1870 when Pius decided he wanted to be infallible and split the church,””

In a hurry here, but this nonsense caught my attention.

This is like saying the Church did not believe the Divinity of Christ until it was declared dogma at the council of Nicea in the 4th century!-which is also not true because the Church always believed in the Divinity Of Christ.

Dogmas are generally declared when heretical movements try to undermine Church teaching and gain momentum(as in the case of Arius etc.)

The Church Fathers taught papal Infallibility ,so it was dogmatic in a sense way before 1870 and was not completely defined.

Here is just one example from Saint Cyprian of Carthage,there are many more from the Church Fathers

“Would heretics dare to come to the very seat of Peter whence apostolic faith is derived and whither no errors can come” Cyprian of Carthage(Epistulae 59 (55), 14, [256 A.D.]).

You should also realize that the majority of Popes did not even make 1 infallible statements,so when you read a Pope saying something against consistent church teaching it can not be taken as infallible

Here are lots of good kinks for those who want to educate themselves on this topic

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0202sbs.asp

http://www.catholicfaithandreason.or...allibility.htm

http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Issues/P...llibility.html

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...entium_en.html

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...entium_en.html

[annalex]

1870 when Pius decided he wanted to be infalible and split the church

No split followed from that.