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To: esquirette
Christ's sacrifice was sufficient for the sins of the whole world.

John says that he who continues in sin has neither seen Him nor known Him, so that continuing in sin argument is a distinction without a difference. Those who know Him will avoid sin.

Name one man.

We will always sin more than we repent. We have no idea of our effect on this world and on others.

That is not Christian belief and never has been.

But most importantly, if we deny a limited atonement, we take away the greatest hope, for it is clear that not all men will be saved.

This makes no sense whatsoever. All men are extended the promise of God's graces; not all men accept it, or keep it. Remember the parable of the strewn seed.

“. . .if you believe that Christ died for all men in the same way, then the benefits of the cross cannot include the mercy by which we are brought to faith, because then all men would be brought to faith, but they aren’t. But if the mercy by which we are brought to faith (irresistible grace) is not part of what Christ purchased on the cross, then we are left to save ourselves from the bondage of sin, the hardness of heart, the blindness of corruption, and the wrath of God.

False premise. This says that it is either a powerless God or a robot slave man that leads to salvation. Neither is in the Gospel message of Christ.

“Therefore it becomes evident that it is not the Calvinist who limits the atonement. It is the Arminian, because he denies that the atoning death of Christ accomplishes what we most desperately need — namely, salvation from the condition of deadness and hardness and blindness under the wrath of God. The Arminian limits the nature and value and effectiveness of the atonement so that he can say that it was accomplished even for those who die in unbelief and are condemned. In order to say that Christ died for all men in the same way, the Arminian must limit the atonement to a powerless opportunity for men to save themselves from their terrible plight of depravity.” ~John Piper

Your Mr. Piper is full of arrant nonsense. TULIP preaches Limited atonement. He is arguing against himself. He fails here on the very basics of Calvinism. Certainly on the basics of Christianity.

220 posted on 11/01/2010 4:19:57 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

Where my responses are in-artful,I apologize. I am also sorry that you believe as you do.


236 posted on 11/01/2010 7:41:57 PM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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