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To: HarleyD
If John Paul II was in charge, the "Holy" Inquisition would never touch him.

No person in the Church has standing to judge a pope, except perhaps a successor pope. However, bishops, university heads, and superiors of religious orders would be subject just like everyone else.

What the Inquisition really advocates is those enemies of the Pope to be "cleansed".

Any system can be corrupted but the Spanish Inquisition is generally considered to be one the most scrupulously honest court systems in history. It is the successes of inquisition that are most resented, not its relatively few failures. There were corrupt popes during the Spanish Inquisition, but they intervened to protect the guilty hounded from Spain, not to target the innocent.

So, in a very real sense the Inquisition (not withstanding the Jews and Muslims who were burned at the state) really got rid of the "good" Catholics who disagreed with the Church while reinforcing the bad.

Public Jews and Muslims were not subject to the Spanish Inquisition, only Catholics. It is quite odd for you to equate all heresy with good and all Catholic orthodoxy with bad. Do you reject ALL Catholic teaching?

By nature, if you disagreed with the Church's right to have an Inquisition, then you must be a heretic subject to the Inquisition.

No. Many soft-hearted Catholics criticized the Inquisition from a purely orthodox perspective. These arguments eventually won out, unfortunately. Thus the present rot.

Instead of purging itself of corrupt people at the top, the Church reinforced corruption while eliminating true believers.

There were many nonbelievers that had attained the rank of bishop. That is corruption. The Inquisition cleaned them out.

Those who were unhappy with Catholic doctrine who weren't murdered left. Hence you see the Orthodox leaving in 1000AD

The split with the East was caused by schism, not issues of doctrine.

you see people leaving in the 13th century with the Church imposed requirement to fight in "Holy" Wars

Say what? Who were these people?

Reformers leaving in 1500AD because of the false doctrine.

Reformers "left" to acquire Church property. One third of European lands were kept by the Church for use by peasants and monks. Reformers became rich by seizing Church properties and booting off the inhabitants.

You will never cleanse the ranks of bishops and priests because the whole system is corrupted.

That has happened to Protestant denominations but cannot happen the Church because it is ultimately protected by the Holy Spirit.

What are you going to do about the homosexual Cardinals? And one day, probably not in the too distance future, you will most likely have a homosexual Pope.

Cardinals are subject to inquisition. The Church is capable of surviving bad popes.

1,686 posted on 11/13/2010 4:09:14 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor; HarleyD
Reformers "left" to acquire Church property. One third of European lands were kept by the Church for use by peasants and monks. Reformers became rich by seizing Church properties and booting off the inhabitants.

The Roman church HATES to lose land..the loss of property in Spain let to the "celibate" priesthood.. too many priests willing "church" land to the kiddos...

I would appreciate some documentation on this "theft" from the church by the reformers.. not Catholic hate sites ok?

1,687 posted on 11/13/2010 4:18:28 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: mas cerveza por favor; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
No person in the Church has standing to judge a pope, except perhaps a successor pope.

Exactly my point. When Pope Leo wanted people to kiss his big toe after his hunt, how could people judge him for that?

...the Spanish Inquisition is generally considered to be one the most scrupulously honest court systems in history.

I think it's wrong to look back on the morays of another era, but the Spanish Inquisition was NOT the most scrupulously honest court system. Jews and Muslims were forced to become Catholics and if they refused to become "good practicing" Catholics they were burned at the stake. Hardly what I would call honest.

Do you reject ALL Catholic teaching?

You'd have to define "ALL". If you mean the Trinity then no I do not reject it. If you mean their interpretation of the "saints", the bogus idea of purgatory, the made up doctrine of Mary, the goofiness of imparting God's grace through the Eucharist, (and others); well, yes I do reject it.

The split with the East was caused by schism, not issues of doctrine.

They reject the Pope as the final word. To them the Pope is one more bishop. I would say that's a big schism especially since Catholics teaches the Pope to be infallible.

Reformers "left" to acquire Church property.

Well, that's a new one. I thought it was because the Church was collecting money through indulgences to pay for their indulgences.

but cannot happen the Church because it is ultimately protected by the Holy Spirit.

Do you believe homosexual priest are a good thing that the Holy Spirit wants in the Church?

1,761 posted on 11/14/2010 5:34:31 AM PST by HarleyD
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