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To: Quix
Quix, Matthias was already a disciple. Quix how you can state that I have ignored what Paul did, you haven't read all of my responses....at no time did I denigrate that Paul was sent to the gentiles....nor did I say that the debate on Paul being an apostle took away from his teachings, I just want to know how and why he took the name himself.

Don't put words in my mouth I have not stated..If you misread what I wrote, I also can get a little scarcastic like you and say "help yourself"

161 posted on 11/01/2010 11:21:53 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

That’s why I said

“If . . . “

Maybe it was too forceful an encouragement to be more open to the implications of what Christ chose to do through Paul as evidence of his rank.

However, we have evidence from Paul in Scripture and reports of what he’s told heavenly visitors . . . asserting that he considers himself of rather low rank in such matters. Evidently Paul agrees with you.


165 posted on 11/01/2010 11:28:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: goat granny; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
Paul could not have preached so powerfully without the Holy Spirit. Being an educated Jew, he would not have been able to understand one word of Christ's otherwise. He himself said that he was predestined for his role, and this was revealed to him by Christ.

Galatians 1:11- 24

1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

1:14 And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,

1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.

1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

171 posted on 11/01/2010 11:51:06 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: goat granny; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
Ehesians 3

1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,

3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:

6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. 14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,] 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,

17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

173 posted on 11/01/2010 11:59:16 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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