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To: metmom; The Theophilus; annalex; presently no screen name
why it’s so important that Mary was always a virgin her entire life

It is important because it is the truth. She could have had other children; that would have been consistent with her married status and certainly no sin. She just didn't, so it is a lie to say that she did. Lying is wrong. To confront a liar is good. We are Catholics, we do what is good and avoid doing what is wrong. You should do the same.

1,371 posted on 11/11/2010 5:52:06 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; metmom; presently no screen name
It is important because it is the truth.

Yet the assertion is completely unsubstantiated. Rather, we have plenty of passages that say that Mary had children who were Jesus' brothers and sisters.

The Bible does not contain a direct evidence that Mary had other biological children, because the word “brother” is often referring to relative not of the same mother.

Then you should be easily able to provide an example of where this is so in the NT. Merely declaring that "brother" always means "cousin" is the argument of fools. And we aren't fools, so try a little harder to prove that Mary was indeed a sinner in denying her husband the foundational commands of God "The two shall cleave together" and "be fruitful and multiply". Because that is what you are saying, that Mary willfully violated the first and foundational commands of God.

This Mary idolatry is getting out of hand. She indeed gave birth to the Messiah, and she did indeed enjoy her husband and bore him, in obedience to God, many children.

1,372 posted on 11/11/2010 6:36:22 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: annalex

Where does Scripture say that Mary was always a virgin?

If it’s so important, why didn’t the Catholic church include that in the Bible when they *wrote* it?


1,376 posted on 11/11/2010 7:00:02 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex

How do you KNOW for sure that Mary was always a virgin anyway?

Even if, and that’s a big if, she and Joseph had no other children, that is no indicator of their sex life.


1,377 posted on 11/11/2010 7:01:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex; metmom; The Theophilus; presently no screen name
why it’s so important that Mary was always a virgin her entire life

I suspect it has to do with the "thought" of Mary having sex..kinnda like thinking about your mother and father

Then there is the issue of a" holy set aside birth canal"

It is important because it is the truth. She could have had other children; that would have been consistent with her married status and certainly no sin. She just didn't, so it is a lie to say that she did.

The truth is that there is no way to know if it is a lie.. This is "taken on faith" in the infallibility of the church alone..

1,415 posted on 11/11/2010 12:44:11 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
She could have had other children; that would have been consistent with her married status and certainly no sin.

By your own admission, then, you can't be sure. Therefore you can't accuse me of lying.

She just didn't, so it is a lie to say that she did.

And you know this how? Who told you? Where's the documentation?

If this is so critically important, why didn't the Catholic church do a better job of writing the Bible (as Catholics claim) and clear that up? Why say *brothers* and *sisters* instead of *cousins* and leave people in confusion? That's not very responsible of them.

They could have come right out and said, "And after Mary had given birth, she and Joseph lead a celibate life as husband and wife, remaining ever virgin, having no other children but Jesus"; and called those who Catholics say were cousins, "cousins" instead of "brothers" and "sisters".

Then Matthew 13:55-56 could have read....

Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren cousins, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters cousins, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Or in Matthew 12:46-48 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers cousins stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?"

But then, Jesus' response in verses 49 and 50 would have made no sense. Matthew 49-50 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

We are Catholics, we do what is good and avoid doing what is wrong.

Then why the need for confession? Why the uncertainty of where you (pl) end up when you (pl) die?

We are Catholics, we do what is good and avoid doing what is wrong. You should do the same.

BTW, nice finessing of the guidelines. That gets a 9.8...

1,450 posted on 11/11/2010 3:48:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
We are Catholics, we do what is good and avoid doing what is wrong. You should do the same.

Ephesians 2:8&9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

1,451 posted on 11/11/2010 3:50:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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