Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: metmom
Christ is the head of the church, His body

That is very true but in Matthew 16 (as well as Luke 22 and John 21) Christ singled St. Peter out as the Apostle in charge of the visible Church that is His Church. From this the scripture compells us to cnclude that the Church Chirst build is foundationally connected to the person of St. Peter and is orthodox, that is is built fully in accordance with the intention of Christ.

St. Peter did refer to his legacy past his life time thusly:

[11] For so an entrance shall be ministered to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. [12] For which cause I will begin to put you always in remembrance of these things: though indeed you know them, and are confirmed in the present truth. [13] But I think it meet as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance. [14] Being assured that the laying away of this my tabernacle is at hand, according as our Lord Jesus Christ also hath signified to me. [15] And I will endeavour, that you frequently have after my decease, whereby you may keep a memory of these things. [16] For we have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness (2 Peter 1)

Note that St.Peter refers to the founding of the papacy as "laying away of this my tabernacle" and ensures that after his death the witness of the Apostolic Church will continue, "as our Lord Jesus Christ also hath signified".

The manner of papal election changed a few times int he past and may, for all we know, change again. This is not a dogmatic teaching of the Church, and is a matter of Chruch self- governance.

The list of popes is without interruption from St. Pater. The use of the attribute "Catholic" as opposed to "local" or "heretical" is from early 2c. Google it.

1,310 posted on 11/10/2010 6:36:39 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1201 | View Replies ]


To: annalex

.
> “That is very true but in Matthew 16 (as well as Luke 22 and John 21) Christ singled St. Peter out as the Apostle in charge of the visible Church that is His Church.”

.
The propagation of that ugly falsehood is Satan’s proudest success.


1,313 posted on 11/10/2010 6:42:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1310 | View Replies ]

To: annalex; OLD REGGIE; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...

> Note that St.Peter refers to the founding of the papacy as “laying away of this my tabernacle”

.
Sorry, no!

His Tabernacle is the body in which he existed on Earth.

He knew that his time was soon at hand.

I cannot even imagine how you ca make that stretch job.


1,314 posted on 11/10/2010 6:49:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1310 | View Replies ]

To: annalex
Peter never claims to be the stone on which the church is built. HE says it's Jesus, right here in his own letter.

To claim that Peter is the rock on which the church is built is wrong. If the Roman Catholic church teachers that Peter is the rock, they're teaching something in contradiction to what Peter said, IWO, a lie.

1 Peter 2: 1 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 2 Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.

4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:

"Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame."

7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,

"The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,"

8and

"A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense."

They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

1,315 posted on 11/10/2010 6:50:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1310 | View Replies ]

To: annalex; metmom
Note that St.Peter refers to the founding of the papacy as "laying away of this my tabernacle" and ensures that after his death the witness of the Apostolic Church will continue, "as our Lord Jesus Christ also hath signified".

annalex, there is nothing in those Scriptures that refer to what your post said. Peter was talking about his BODY when he referred to "this tabernacle", just as 2 Cor. 5:1-9 makes clear. How do you get the founding of the papacy in this scripture?

As to this:ensures that after his death the witness of the Apostolic Church will continue, "as our Lord Jesus Christ also hath signified".

, please tell me how you derived the "Apostolic Church" anything from this Scripture?

1,317 posted on 11/10/2010 6:56:50 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1310 | View Replies ]

To: annalex; metmom
Note that St.Peter refers to the founding of the papacy as "laying away of this my tabernacle" and ensures that after his death the witness of the Apostolic Church will continue, "as our Lord Jesus Christ also hath signified".

Actually, that might just be want you want it to say, but it doesn't.

2 Peter 1:12-21 (New International Reader's Version)
12 So I will always remind you of these things. I'll do it even though you know them. I'll do it even though you now have deep roots in the truth. 13 I think it is right for me to remind you. It is right as long as I live in this tent. I'm talking about my body. 14 I know my tent will soon be removed. Our Lord Jesus Christ has made that clear to me. 15 I hope that you will always be able to remember these things after I'm gone. I will try very hard to see that you do. 16 We told you about the time our Lord Jesus Christ came with power. But we didn't make up stories when we told you about it. With our own eyes we saw him in all his majesty. 17 God the Father gave him honor and glory. The voice of the Majestic Glory came to him. It said, "This is my Son, and I love him. I am very pleased with him."—(Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35) 18 We ourselves heard the voice that came from heaven. We were with him on the sacred mountain. 19 The word of the prophets is made more certain. We have that word. You must pay attention to it. It is like a light shining in a dark place. It will shine until the day Jesus comes. Then the Morning Star will rise in your hearts. 20 Above all, here is what you must understand. No prophecy in Scripture ever came from a prophet's own understanding. 21 It never came simply because a prophet wanted it to. Instead, the Holy Spirit guided the prophets as they spoke. So prophecy comes from God.

Peter was speaking of his earthly life ending and that the Christians' only authority was the sure words of the prophets (Holy Scripture) as it was directly from God.

And just because Irenaeus used the word "catholic" to designate the universal body of Christ, it does not mean the organization that calls itself "Catholic" today is that church. We can at least accept that true Christians exist within different denominations/organizations and that minor theological points should not cause dissension when we hold the major truths of Scripture in common.

1,321 posted on 11/10/2010 7:13:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1310 | View Replies ]

To: annalex; metmom
Christ is the head of the church, His body

That is very true but in Matthew 16 (as well as Luke 22 and John 21) Christ singled St. Peter out as the Apostle in charge of the visible Church that is His Church.

Peter was but an Apostle, the "senior" one, but one with equal authority to the others.

Who called the "Council of Jerusalem"?
Who presided at this Council?

JAMES!, that's who.

ACTS 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

The list of popes is without interruption from St. Pater.

The "list" is fiction, retroactive history, with many "corrections" over the years, with many gaps exceeding several years, and many Anti-Popes.

1,390 posted on 11/11/2010 9:55:54 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1310 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson