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To: annalex; metmom; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
Others are indeed taught in the scripture: the equal authority of the tradition (2 Thess. 2:14)

Now you are insulting your audience. In the passage you cited the word παράδοσίς means "precepts", specifically the Jewish traditionary law. The word itself is pretty much fixed in its definition at Paul's time.

1 Cor 11:2-3 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

You are going to have a Devil of a time (quite literally) to give evidence that the variety of pagan rituals Rome indulges in, commonly profaned by calling "Holy Traditions", were taught and practiced by Paul himself.

Indeed, it is good that you drew our attention to 2 Thessalonians, because in the heart of the next chapter we read what every good Protestant has done:

2 Thess 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

That is, we have withdrawn, as if by command from the Apostles themselves, from the apostate Rome which clearly does not walk according to the "traditions" received by the Apostles. Rome has made up all kinds of laws and regulations just as the Jews did to supplement the Law handed down to them from Mt Sinai. Our LORD had some choice statements regarding the sin the Jews committed and that Rome perfected.

Here is the scene. The scribes and Pharisees who were in Jerusalem came up to Jesus and demanded an explanation from him by saying "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders?". We read in Matthew 15 the SmackDown™ delivered by our LORD on these wicked men. "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?". He then provides an example, then quotes Isaiah 29:13. He then gives us a saying repeated today about the "blind leading the blind into a pit". Clearly, our LORD didn't respect "traditions", characterizing them as "vain in their worship, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

What Rome is doing in the form of "Holy Traditions" is perpetuating the prophecy of Isaiah, or as our LORD summarizes "These are the things that defile a man". Rome takes the word "traditions" and then sins in the same manner as the Pharisees of Matthew 15. Rome does NOT honor the teaching of the Apostles, rather the Holy Traditions are a deliberate hijacking of the meaning of the word, transforming it into sin.

Utterly shamefull trying to support something that is clearly condemned in Scripture and even a theme focused on and vehemently condemned by our LORD in the Gospels.

1,229 posted on 11/09/2010 7:20:14 PM PST by The Theophilus
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To: The Theophilus; annalex; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; ...

The very interesting thing is that the Roman Catholic church and especially FRoman Catholics, so disparage Paul when they feel that what he has to say supports Protestant doctrine, but when they feel it supports Catholic doctrine, Catholics will quote Paul so fast your head will spin.

All of a sudden, he’s a church father, even if he is a *loon*, a *goofball*, and a *kook*.

Either Paul is worthy of quoting or he is not. Not depending on what doctrine you choose to have him support, but either he’s reliable, or he’s not.

Cherry picking doesn’t cut it. It leaves one with no credibility. Catholics need to make up their mind about what they believe about Paul instead of moving the goalposts all the time.


1,230 posted on 11/09/2010 7:34:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Theophilus
You are going to have a Devil of a time (quite literally) to give evidence that the variety of pagan rituals Rome indulges in, commonly profaned by calling "Holy Traditions", were taught and practiced by Paul himself.

AMEN! Great post.

1,236 posted on 11/09/2010 8:20:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: The Theophilus; metmom; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
. In the passage you cited the word παράδοσίς means "precepts", specifically the Jewish traditionary law

You are kidding?

Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle (2 Tess 2:14)
St. Paul taught the Thessalonians Jewish law?

"παράδοσίς" simply meand knowledge or practice handed down. whether it is good or bad depends on the knowledge and practce in question. When the Apostles hand something down, it is good. It makes no difference whether they write a letter or teach face to face; if anything, St Paul preferred appearing in person. When Luther and the rest of the Protestant charlatans hand down their nonsense it is bad, and the Bible wanrs agaisnt such "traditions of men". It is not complicated.

1,486 posted on 11/11/2010 5:58:56 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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