In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[OLD REGGIE]

"You have come up with diddle.

Here are but a few of those who were diddled. They were tried and executed by Massachusetts for being Quakers and Baptists, not witches; Roger Williams, Anne Hutchinson, William Robinson, Marmaduke Stevenson, and Mary Dyer, William Leddra, and Wenlock Christison. There are many more who were arrested, tried, tortured (physically abusive penalties and sentences, banished to the deep woods (death), and cast adrift in small boats (death) whose fate was never recorded.

”In 1631 the Court of Massachusetts explicitly ordained that the quality of a free man, that is to say, the enjoyment of full rights, should not be granted except to the members of one of the churches of the colony. The same exclusivism prevailed, if not everywhere as a written law, still less as a custom in the other colonies. The civil affairs of the community were settled in the congregations of the faithful.” (David Masson, Life of Milton, II., p. 552).

“The situation has well been summed up by the Italian writer, Ruffini. "If the intolerance of these earliest Puritan colonists," says Ruffini, "becomes indubitably apparent from the extremely severe dispositions which they adopted against the Baptists, the Quakers, the Catholics, and even against the members of the Anglican Church, who were put into a boat by the colonists of Massachusetts and sent back to England, the close union between the civil and ecclesiastical powers is shown by these not less evident signs.

In the fundamental ordinances of the colony of New Haven, Connecticut (1639), it is laid down as a supreme principle that the Government must conform in everything to the Word of God. The colony, as Bancroft observes, thus adopted the Bible as its fundamental statute. Moreover, the compulsion of conscience and the confusion of the two powers blemished those colonial laws which imposed serious punishments upon citizens who did not scrupulously fulfill their religious duties and punctually pay the contributions belonging to the church and its ministers" (Francisco Ruffini, Religious Liberty, pp. 256, 257).

The problem wasn’t limited to Massachusetts and Connecticut. In 1659, Virginia enacted anti-Quaker laws, including the death penalty for refractory Quakers. Thomas Jefferson wrote: "if no capital execution took place here, as did in New England, it was not owing to the moderation of the church, or the spirit of the legislature."

Here is some more light reading on the subject of Protestant inhumanity to Protestants. There is ample more, but I doubt that you would bother to read anything that would cause you to doubt the heresies you have dedicated your lives to anymore than you will actually bother to read what I have already provided.

Isaac Backus, A History of New England, with Particular Reference to the Denomination of Christians called Baptists. Newton, Mass., 1871. 2 volumes.

Daniel Neale, The History of New England containing an Impartial Account of the Civil and Ecclesiastical Affairs of the Country to the Year of our Lord, 1700. London, 1720. 2 volumes.

Benjamin Franklin Bronson,Palfrey on Religious Intolerance in the Colony of Massachusetts Bay, The Baptist Quarterly, VI., pp. 147-180, 280-300.

Lucius E. Smith, The New England Ecclesiastical Legislation, The Baptist Quarterly, I., pp. 81-101. Philadelphia, 1871.

Norman Fox, George Fox and the Early Friends, The Baptist Quarterly, XI., pp. 433-453. Philadelphia, 1877.

I am certain Mark thanks you for carrying his water for him.

The first sentence of your post is actually a rather concise summary. viz. "Here are but a few of those who were diddled." A few. Count em.

Further, allow me to paraphrase a quotation from the self-avowed "I know everything - you know nothing" genius.

A rule of thumb that I use is that I believe 0% of anything I read on these forums, but make some notes and do my own research. That is why I so often have so much contempt for the authoritarian pronouncements made by the self proclaimed genius.

Shhhh - I know everything - you know nothing.

[OLD REGGIE]

Did they not teach you about literary devices in your school? I suppose that your mathematics consisted of one, two, three, many...

One who makes wild, unsubstiantiated claims and runs away is nothing but an

[metmom]

MB post 567 But killing and torture of those who did not subscribe to the particular Protestant brand of each colony were, until the federal government quelled it. Massachusetts was a particularly barbaric colony, although several others vied for its level of barbarism. Where did you guys get your education? Have you no idea of what was actually done in history or do you have the usual American glaze eyed deer in the headlights stare when it comes to actual reality?

Still waiting for stats and links to back it up.....

And, FWIW, did you guys really think that it would really distract our attention away from the Inquisition and the calls by Catholics on this forum for a return to it?

[metmom]

I don't need to, you are doing a fine job of trying to do that it all by yourself. Besides, it doesn't matter what I do, you are going to lean on the abuse button anyway.

Why is it that you are constantly referring to non-Catholics as leaning on the abuse button or posting with one finger on the abuse button? You treat it as a fact. How do you know that for sure?

Mind reading?

Or projecting much?

[Natural Law]

"A few. Count em."

Try to keep up old man. If you can't run with the big dogs anymore, its probably best to stay under the porch.

I listed a few, but not the complete listing. If you want that do your own homework, but before you dismiss the issue as the transgressions of a couple of extremists who infiltrated the ranks of the "enlightened colonies" make a relative comparison of the populations of Europe and the colonies before you conclude it wasn't pervasive. You claimed that only a few tragic incidents involving witches occurred. I've provided evidence of state sponsored Protestant on Protestant sectarian violence in numerous colonies. Moving the goal posts during the discussion doesn't change that.

[Natural Law]

"Why is it that you are constantly referring to non-Catholics as leaning on the abuse button or posting with one finger on the abuse button? You treat it as a fact. How do you know that for sure?"

Are you making this post about me? I am surprised that Dr. E has not issued you an unofficial reprimand and warning.

If I told you how I know the abuse statistics it would only result in more abuse abuse and probably elicit a warning.

[RnMomof7]

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Not works NL..... faith... when we make it about works we steal the glory from God

[Quix]

Good.

Thanks thanks.

[Quix]

Ask the RC I borrowed the term from.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Quix]

Dr E is far from a witch with a coven.

I rebuke such an allegation in the Name of Jesus.

[Quix]

PROJECTION
INDEED!
SEEMS TO BE
A MAJOR RC
RELIGIOUS RITUAL
ON FR.

[Natural Law]

"Dr E is far from a witch with a coven. I rebuke such an allegation in the Name of Jesus.

I hate to be to one to break it to you, but witches aren't real and for all we know neither is Dr. E. Dr. E is an online personae that for all we know it could be a he, a she, a committee or a department in the Peoples Army of China. You are defending a virtual character. LOL.

As for rebuke, you are welcome to your opinion, but it is meaningless to anyone other than you. You also have no ability or power to invoke God in your own petty outbursts. Shame on you.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Just more personal assaults on your part without anything of substance in your post.

[Natural Law]

"Not works NL..... faith..."

BIBLE SAYS FAITH AND WORKS NEEDED FOR SALVATION - Sal Ciresi

During the Protestant Reformation in the early 1500s, a familiar term regarding salvation was "sola fide," Latin for "by faith alone." The reformers, at that time, accused the Catholic Church of departing from the "simple purity of the Gospel" of Jesus Christ. They stated it was faith alone, without works of any kind, that brought a believer to eternal life. They defined this faith as "the confidence of man, associated with the certainty of salvation, because the merciful Father will forgive sins because of Christ's sake."

This view of salvation is a crucial issue because it strikes at the very heart of the Gospel message eternal life. Roman Catholicism teaches that we are not saved by faith alone. The Church has taught this since 30 A.D. as part of the Divine Revelation. The truth of the Catholic Church's teaching can be demonstrated from Sacred Scripture alone.

All who claim the title "Christian" will be able to agree on the following two truths: salvation is by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8) and salvation is through Christ alone (Acts 4:12). These biblical facts will be our foundation as we explain the teaching of the Catholic Church.

If we take a concordance and look up every occurrence of the word "faith," we come up with an undeniable fact the only time the phrase "faith alone" is used in the entire Bible is when it is condemned (James 2:24). The epistle of James only mentions it in the negative sense.

The Bible tells us we must have faith in order to be saved (Hebrews 11:6). Yet is faith nothing more than believing and trusting? Searching the Scriptures, we see faith also involves assent to God's truth (1 Thessalonians 2:13), obedience to Him (Romans 1:5, 16:26), and it must be working in love (Galatians 5:6). These points appeared to be missed by the reformers, yet they are just as crucial as believing and trusting. (1 Corinthians 13:1-3) should be heeded by all it's certainly an attention grabber.

Paul speaks of faith as a life-long process, never as a one-time experience (Philippians 2:12). He never assumes he has nothing to worry about. If he did, his words in (1 Corinthians 9:24-27) would be nonsensical. He reiterates the same point again in his second letter to Corinth (2 Corinthians 13:5). He takes nothing for granted, yet all would agree if anyone was "born again" it certainly was Paul. Our Lord and Savior spoke of the same thing by "remaining in Him" (John 15:1-11).

Paul tells us our faith is living and can go through many stages. It never stays permanently fixed after a single conversion experience no matter how genuine or sincere. Our faith can be shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), departed from (1 Timothy 4:1), disowned (1 Timothy 5:8) wandered from (1 Timothy 6:10), and missed (1 Timothy 6:21). Christians do not have a "waiver" that exempts them from these verses.

Do our works mean anything? According to Jesus they do (Matthew 25:31-46). The people rewarded and punished are done so by their actions. And our thoughts (Matthew 15:18-20) and words (James 3:6-12) are accountable as well. These verses are just as much part of the Bible as Romans 10:8-13 and John 3:3-5.

Some will object by appealing to Romans 4:3 and stating Abraham was "declared righteous" before circumcision. Thus he was only saved by "believing" faith (Genesis 15:6), not by faith "working in love" (Galatians 5:6). Isn't this what Paul means when he says none will be justified by "works of law" (Romans 3:28)? No, this is not what he means. He's condemning the Old Covenant sacrifices and rituals which couldn't justify and pointing to better things now in Christ Jesus in the New Covenant (Hebrews 7-10). A close examination of Abraham's life revealed a man of God who did something. In Genesis 12-14 he makes two geographical moves, builds an altar and calls on the Lord, divides land with Lot to end quarrels, pays tithes, and refuses goods from the King of Sodom to rely instead on God's providence. He did all these works as an old man. It was certainly a struggle. After all these actions of faith, then he's "declared righteous" (Genesis 15:6). Did these works play a role in his justification? According to the Bible, yes.

The Catholic Church has never taught we "earn" our salvation. It is an inheritance (Galatians 5:21), freely given to anyone who becomes a child of God (1 John 3:1), so long as they remain that way (John 15:1-11). You can't earn it but you can lose the free gift given from the Father (James 1:17).

The reformer's position cannot be reconciled with the Bible. That is why the Catholic Church has taught otherwise for over 1,960 years.

Where does our assistance come from to reach our heavenly destination? Philippians 4:13 says it all, "I can do all things in Him who strengthens me."

Provided Courtesy of: Eternal Word Television Network

[Natural Law]

"Just more personal assaults on your part without anything of substance in your post."

Do not make this thread about me. You have been warned by the mods on numerous occasions about this infraction. Learn to follow the rules or stay off the religion forum.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Quix]

NOW NOW.

You should know, Dear Heart,

the rules were made for everyone

EXCEPT certain rabid clique RC’s . . .

by their own assumptions and presumptions, of course.

LOL.

Vatican white hanky prissy arrogance parades again.

[Quix]

Thanks for the added abundant evidence of

absolutely no familiarity with the UNRUBBERIZED

authentic Bible, the true WORD OF GOD.

Evidently Rabid Clique RC’s have no comprehension of the Bibilcal authority given the priesthood of The Believer.