I do recall that you said you liked lots of butter.
Oh, and don't forget about how Massachusetts was particularly bad in this regard.
Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
No boasting in ourselves Mark, boasting in Christ..
Only someone that believes his salvation depended on himself could say that ..boasting that he may be able to be good enough or do enough to be worthy to be saved ..geee God would be lucky to have him
Not of works Mark, not of works.. Christ is the author and finisher ...He saved us and He keeps us...
That was not to you Mark.. it was to Natural law.. We are still waiting for proof of state torture and killing of Baptists, and Quakers by the calvinist states in America...you said it now prove it
Exactly , non essentials are non essentials.. Calvinists would say someone is elect because they repented and believed, Arminians would say we are elect because they repented and believed .. the core truth is Christ saves those that repent and come to Him in faith
St. Paul speaks in stronger terms, speaking of "grafting" replacing the old branches broken off. Further, the genetic Israel itself is broken off and in need of re-grafting:
[16] For if the firstfruit be holy, so is the lump also: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. [17] And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree, [18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. [19] Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. [20] Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith: be not highminded, but fear.When a branch is broken off and another grafted in, that is replacement, even though every connotation that the Replacement theology has accrued may not be there. To wit, the genetical Israel is prophesied to be regrafted in a more natural way.[21] For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee. [22] See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. [23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. [24] For if thou wert cut out of the wild olive tree, which is natural to thee; and, contrary to nature, were grafted into the good olive tree; how much more shall they that are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
(Romans 11)
Did it ever make restitution?
I don't think any of that is owed summarily, although there were some who were possibly condemned without good cause. I can think of Savonarola, for example.
The Catechism however does condemn torture, and suggests praying both for the victims and the tormentors, as I quoted in 523.
So bite me.
No, because the Church condemns its use and even the Church's complicity in the acts of torture in the past, see my 523.
Is it your desire to see the USA turned into a Catholic monarchy [...]?
The American Republic legitimately seceded from the British (flawed as it was to begin with) Monarchy and does not have a legitimate monarch. On my profile page I outline a process by which any society can regrow aristocracy and eventually become feudal. I don't see it happening soon in America, but it is certainly a possibility over generations. I do not advocate any regime changes other than by electoral means.
Of all countries I know America seems the least suited for monarchy because it lacks the feudal past. But maybe just because of that, and because of the incredible dynamism possessed by the American people, we may be among the first to restore it.
where the Church gets the right to execute
The Church never had or claimed or desired such a right.
These are all very good suggestions and the Church is doing what she can in these areas. also, the Church does not advocate illegal immigration, she merely asks for clemency.
You cannot be that ignorant. The Church pretty much started by stopping the Jewish practice of stoning.
People are not punished in the US for being outside the Catholic church
.. and so you as one outside of it have nothing to fear from the Inquisition.
My wife isn't very bright. The other day she was at the store, and just as she was heading for our car, someone stole it! I said, "Did you see the guy that did it?" She said, "No, but I got the license plate."
My wife made me join a bridge club. I jump off next Tuesday.
I knew a girl so ugly that she was known as a two-bagger. That's when you put a bag over your head in case the bag over her head breaks.
I knew a girl so ugly, they use her in prisons to cure sex offenders.
I knew a girl so ugly, I took her to the top of the Empire State building and planes started to attack her.
I knew a girl so ugly, the last time I saw a mouth like hers it had a hook on the end of it.
I knew a girl so ugly, she had a face like a saint--a Saint Bernard!
For some of the posters here, the jokes write themselves...
The bishops are consecrated by the Pope, and one can seek their advice regarding the publications. Also, Catohlic method supposes harmony with the scripture and the historical continuing teaching of the Church, which is a matter of record.
Calvin lies. Luther lies. Protestantism is a systematic lie.
No, no one said that whatever half cocked stuff you find is infallible if the source is Catholic.
Yeah, yeah. How's the view from the front row, thanking God you are not like those damnable Catholics?
Only someone that believes his salvation depended on himself could say that ..boasting that he may be able to be good enough or do enough to be worthy to be saved ..geee God would be lucky to have him
Those of us who are Christian would never post anything along those lines.
Not of works Mark, not of works.. Christ is the author and finisher ...He saved us and He keeps us...
Christ is not the author of the horrendous arena of Calvinist beliefs. I have an idea of where Calvinists will be kept...
I'd lean to the explanation that the main vine is Christ, and we Catholics are grafted in to Christ, with the Jews as the natural branches that grow from it. Then there are the idiots who cry Lord, Lord...
LOL!
Well, we have the conundrum. Should I, a practicing and believing Christian, care about one pagan group persecuting another? The Catechism says that I should. But how does one love the unloveable? I pray for the Lord's help on this one...
Not sure that I agree with this. That would imply intelligence and logic, rather than the personal power aspirations from which the Reformation succeeded (such as its success actually is).
I do recall that you said you liked lots of butter.
Oh, and don't forget about how Massachusetts was particularly bad in this regard.
No huge quibble about that.
It’s just Biblically clear that God has NOT flushed genetic Israel and that HIS PROMISES TO genetic Israel WILL BE FULFILLED TO THE LETTER. We, as spiritual Israel get to get in on the goodies, through Christ’s Blood and grafting us in.
That isn’t butter. My undergrad was in chemical engineering. Trust me on this one.
Now, do you wish me to chase you from thread to thread repudiating your claims against me?
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