Are you Catholic? No? Turn the wheel! Gahhh!
Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
You might want to read up on the persecution and killings done by the Protestant colonial rulers against the Baptists, Quakers and Catholics, with the exception of Rhode Island and Maryland. The Protestant colonies established state religions and killed anyone who seriously opposed them. Your history is approximately as accurate as your theology, as it seems.
It’s not the law of the land.
The Catholic Church does not vote, but millions of individual Catholics do. We voting Catholics have every bit as much franchise as any other collection of individuals. Get over it and get used to it because the Catholic Church will become even more politically engaged as we go forward.
Slavery was once constitutional and abortion still is. Mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism came down on opposite sides of both of those issues. 150 years ago there were similar animosities against the Irish immigrants and 100 years ago against the southern and eastern Europeans. Again, mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism came down on opposite sides of that argument. Which side do you think is right?
Endorsing, advocating and lobbying are not illegal. Neither is demanding that the protections embedded in out constitution be applied to all persons within our borders. Strip away those protections because someone entered the country illegally and you endorse the murder, robbery, rape, and exploitation illegal immigrants. That is hardly a Christian attitude.
I think the following trumps what "All the people answered"...
(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."
(John 9:1-3) As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
(Mark 3:28-29)“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
(2 Corinthians 5:17) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
What about the murder, robbery, rape, and exploitation done BY the illegals?
So, are you in favor of amnesty for illegals? Is that the official Catholic church position? Or are Catholics doing it in violation of official church doctrine?
If the Catholic church thinks that helping the downtrodden is a good thing, then THEY should do it themselves and pay for it themselves and not encourage others to break the law of the land.
You know, render unto Ceasar???
Opposing illegal immigration is not the same as supporting abortion and slavery. There are avenues for immigrants to enter this country legally. Let them do it that way. If the Catholic church or Catholics themselves, want to help someone enter the country legally by sponsoring them, fine, do it that way. Do it LEGALLY.
Do not treasonously advocate for breaking the law.
No, that sounds like your ignorance showing. An Inquisition would only be an inquiry into the sincerity of the beliefs of those who claim to be Catholic. Everyone of the Pauliwogs who demand that Pelosi, Kerry, and Kennedy Catholics be denied Communion have already demanded the Church take this action. Maybe you would prefer harsher actions be taken by Protestant mobs again.
But killing and torture of those who did not subscribe to the particular Protestant brand of each colony were, until the federal government quelled it. Massachusetts was a particularly barbaric colony, although several others vied for its level of barbarism. Where did you guys get your education? Have you no idea of what was actually done in history or do you have the usual American glaze eyed deer in the headlights stare when it comes to actual reality?
Just doing the little reading online to put this post together made me sick. That people, who claimed to be followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, became so overcome with power, greed, blood lust, whatever, that they did these things under the illusion that they were doing it for Him, for his glory was quite disturbing. I really don't care what the times were like back then, I cannot imagine any excuse that can rationalize or justified the barbarity that was done.
I can hardly believe some actually here on this thread are advocating for its comeback. They should be ashamed and take some time off to understand what evil has taken hold of them to even bring up the idea in the first place.
Yours is the Christian response to this barbarism and to those who desire its return who show themselves to be no better than those torturers who grew rich off the blood of their victims.
And this is a "religion" we should respect?
Your lack of a proper education is showing. Simply wanting something to be true or having it told to you by the Rev. Billy-Bob Rolex doesn't make it so.
The US Constitution is based upon a defense against Protestantism instead of Catholicism. When you understand the fear of Calvinism and the "Popes of Boston" the other colonies had you will understand their demand for the Bill of Rights as a precondition to ratification of the Constitution. Start with the Federalist Paper #46 and work your way outward.
Those are interesting positions they explain alot
Thanks
Thank you, my friend. I had forgotten about the "Popes of Boston". I wonder if our learned friends have the ability to feel shame.
Where did you guys get your education? Have you no idea of what was actually done in history (the Inquisition) or do you have the usual American Catholic glaze eyed deer in the headlights stare when it comes to actual reality?
I got my education in your above average public school, which, for the record, is not known for teaching much of religious history.
So go ahead,.... Provide us with the links to educate us of American Protestantisms dark past and all the atrocities you mentioned. And just to be equitable, include the Catholic history in dealing with Protestants in this country as well. Based on precedent, I'm sure it's not pristine.
And how do you know that the "local bishop" and the "publications" of the Romanist church are "infallible in their teaching on faith and morals?"
Do you miss the irony of them being referred to as *popes*?
Do you miss the irony of them being referred to as *popes*?
I got my education in your above average public school, which, for the record, is not known for teaching much of religious history.
Which, for the record is absolutely crushed by such schools as are found in Singapore, Taiwan, and everywhere in India. Above average? I'm surprised that you can sign your name. My children are getting an education in spite of the cesspool that you guys bruit about that passes for education here in the United States.
You want links? Go to Wikipedia. Even Wiki is above average compared to the education of the morons.
In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood...
Rome lies.
Then that means that the approval for that book on Mary that Quix posted IS official Church position and doctrine.
How many times have we seen some Catholic official go off half cocked and the FRoman Catholics shriek that that does NOT represent official Church doctrine cause it’s not from the Vatican? Yet here we have another FRoman Catholic saying that it is and not only that, but it’s infallible.
Nope. Did you miss the truth of shame?
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