Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I agree. I cannot even imagine the mindset it takes to seriously consider and condone torturing and killing innocent people for the shear reason that they don’t believe in the same religion as you do. How in the world did they actually think they could force a genuine heart change on a person who would ascent only to escape the horrors of the torture room? What is even more baffling is that they believed God approved of their actions. You know...the God of LOVE, all LOVE, only LOVE, that they’re pushing now. I am totally convinced it was Satan that filled these people to devise and carry out these plans - because I KNOW FOR A FACT our Heavenly Father would not have.
And Catholics know that how?
2297 Kidnapping and hostage taking bring on a reign of terror; by means of threats they subject their victims to intolerable pressures. They are morally wrong. Terrorism threatens, wounds, and kills indiscriminately; it is gravely against justice and charity. Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity. Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.912298 In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors.
ARTICLE 5 THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
Learn, "doctor". Bottom line is, your charlatan pastors teach counterbiblical nonsense and because they know so, they direct their propaganda at things that happened long ago in cultures modern mind cannot comprehend. Thast, and not any personal flaws is the indecency of Protestantism. It is a culture of lies.
The Holy Inquisition was an ecclesial court that investigated heresy and publicly excommunicated the guilty using the best methods available and thought proper at the time in cooperation with the civil authority. I support American Inquisition, that would utilize modern techniques and cooperate with the civil authority of the United States, in order to, foremostly, publicly excommunicate those Catholics who hold positions of power and teach contrary to the Catholic doctrines, or commit sexual abuse.
The Church, incidentally, condemned the use of torture by the US government, so that might do something good also to the US secular practices.
The Church IS a political power as well as a spiritual power, and it would be criminal for the Church not to use the power she has for the goals dictated by justice, using force as appropriate.
He, of course didn't, but neither did He teach chemistry, engineering or foreign languages. Torture was a part of the culture. We have a lot in today's culture that would utterly surprise a 1c Jew, and often, on the moral scale, we are the loser.
Heresy is a moral issue also. (Not being personal)
12. The holy people of God shares also in Christ's prophetic office; it spreads abroad a living witness to Him, especially by means of a life of faith and charity and by offering to God a sacrifice of praise, the tribute of lips which give praise to His name.(110) The entire body of the faithful, anointed as they are by the Holy One,(111) cannot err in matters of belief. They manifest this special property by means of the whole peoples' supernatural discernment in matters of faith when "from the Bishops down to the last of the lay faithful" (8*) they show universal agreement in matters of faith and morals. That discernment in matters of faith is aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth. It is exercised under the guidance of the sacred teaching authority, in faithful and respectful obedience to which the people of God accepts that which is not just the word of men but truly the word of God.(112) Through it, the people of God adheres unwaveringly to the faith given once and for all to the saints,(113) penetrates it more deeply with right thinking, and applies it more fully in its life.It is not only through the sacraments and the ministries of the Church that the Holy Spirit sanctifies and leads the people of God and enriches it with virtues, but, "allotting his gifts to everyone according as He wills,(114) He distributes special graces among the faithful of every rank. By these gifts He makes them fit and ready to undertake the various tasks and offices which contribute toward the renewal and building up of the Church, according to the words of the Apostle: "The manifestation of the Spirit is given to everyone for profit".(115) These charisms, whether they be the more outstanding or the more simple and widely diffused, are to be received with thanksgiving and consolation for they are perfectly suited to and useful for the needs of the Church. Extraordinary gifts are not to be sought after, nor are the fruits of apostolic labor to be presumptuously expected from their use; but judgment as to their genuinity and proper use belongs to those who are appointed leaders in the Church, to whose special competence it belongs, not indeed to extinguish the Spirit, but to test all things and hold fast to that which is good.(116)
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110 Cf. Heb. 13:15.
111 Cf. Jn. 2:20, 27
112 Cf. 1 Thess. 2:13.
113 Cf. Jud. 3
114 1 Cor. 12:11.
115 Cf. 1 Thess 5:12, 19-21.
116 Cf. Jn. 11:52.
Shock is a natural condition of those who lose their Catholic faith and join Protestant sects.
You are now Catholic? Doesn't show.
What an upside down perspective!
Shock is normal at observing “Christians” slavishly idolize
—AN INSTITUTION
—A PERSONAGE NOT GOD
—A DOGMA
—!!!!TRADITIONS!!!! OF MAN
—RITUALS
That didn’t stop y’all several 100 years ago!
LOL.
Advocacy of the lower classes, even when they violate the law, is also a part of the Church's mission.
the RCC did persecute those who believed His Word.
The heretic does not know or understand the Word, that is why he is a heretic. However, in any case, all the heretics had to do was renounce Catholicism. If they want to belief their charlatan pastors they are free to do so but not under the Catholic label.
We don’t use stoning any more. In fact, the US last that I heard does not punish for being outside the Catholic Church at all.
The Church actually pioneered modern jurisprudential practices such as giving representation to the accused. It is also known that many prisoners would blaspheme intentionally in order to get under the Inquisitorial jurisdiction and away from secular courts, which were harsher.
A lot of Protestant sources describe all incidents of torture without distinction and associate them all with the Inquisition. In fact, what you describe were univerally accepted practices of interrogation, and of course every time a person was suffering, a priest would be available to assist the sufferer. That does not make the court one of the Holy Inquisition.
If, or when, an Inquisition convenes in the United States, it will employ methods of our (supposedly enlightened) time. Then, if guilt is found, the faaithless Catholic will be publicly excommunicated, and will no longer able to call himself Catholic yet teach against the Church. If any civil law were broken, as in case of child molestation, the District Attorney can handle it promptly and not 30 years after the fact based on accusations that cannot be proven. This would be a vast improvement over the state of American Catholicism today, and I advocate it with passion.
Formally, the teaching authority in the Church is vested in the local bishop or more precisely the ordinary (some belong to orders that do not follow the territorial jurisdiction). One can also rely onthe publications sanctioned by the Church, e.g. consiliar documents and the Catechism. With the Internet, it is easy for anyone to educate himself, and I urge even the non-Catholics to read on what the Catholic Church proposes for their salvation.
This stands in stark contrast with the Protestant sects, where the poor Protestant can never know who to trust for instruction, and the truth is, he should trust no one in any of the Prtestant communities, as neitehr of thme is lead by the Holy Ghost.
Not really a variation - it is only that they don't have a full understanding - I don't claim infallibility and neither should anyone else outside of the Magisterium. But you guys who are Bible Believers (tm) don't actually believe in the Bible - we have ample proof. You guys believe in coupon clippings and snippets put together in random order. Witness the repeated claims that the Gospels are not for Christians, or that the snippets of Paul supersede the words of Christ. As I have offered to you offline, I would be more than willing to serve as Vergil to your Dante through Christianity. I would extend that offer to many, although not to all. There are some that turn my stomach in their evil.
The words, teachings, examples and life of Christ. Is any more required for Christians?
You have selected from numerous anti Catholic websites throughout your tenure at FR. Which one do you prefer?
Very good. We are not replacements for Israel, in spite of the nuts and crazies and lunatics that accuse us of claiming that. We have been offered the New Covenant and for that we are eternally grateful. But we do not supplant Israel and we are adopted sons, not the original sons.
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