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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: presently no screen name
"God's WORD REIGNS! Jesus is THE WORD, Thank You, JESUS!"

I'll take that as a "yes" to my question. :)

4,821 posted on 12/05/2010 1:30:10 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: MarkBsnr
Kiss a Muslims'......................................Koran if it were presented to you?

No. It's sad, though, when you have to carry the water of the children of the Reformation, since they don't have the fortitude to carry it for themselves.

It's just that I have been (self)appointed to find you and return you when you have wandered off the reservation, or as in this situation, forgotten your address.

4,822 posted on 12/05/2010 1:31:07 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: kosta50

:)


4,823 posted on 12/05/2010 1:31:38 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7
"Strangely, I find more Catechism references to Purgatory than those you posted."

The word "purgatory" occurs exactly four times in the Catechism of the Catholic Church but only once in the Baltimore Catechism, but thank you for reinforcing my point that the posting by RnMomof7 was deceptive by its very incompleteness.

You have to admit it is amazing how much truth and beauty even decrepit old anti-Catholic goofballs can find in the full Catechism of the Catholic Church. If my post led you to revisit it I succeeded.

4,824 posted on 12/05/2010 1:33:13 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis
Barbarians, of course. :)

Wrong! :) You see, the Greeks invented the word "barbarian," and it refers to anyone who doesn't speak Greek. :)

4,825 posted on 12/05/2010 1:36:23 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Kolokotronis

You assume too much but I guess that’s what sinners do.

They assume what is true.


4,826 posted on 12/05/2010 1:40:29 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Natural Law

So purgatory is NOT cleansing from sin...is that your final answer?


4,827 posted on 12/05/2010 1:41:02 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Natural Law; Iscool; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; editor-surveyor; metmom; boatbums; Quix; ...
"That does not answer the question did they give false doctrine to the children?"
Not false, just incomplete and obsolete.

Obsolete???So the Doctrine of the Catholic church DOES change ...

I think I comprehend more than you might like

4,828 posted on 12/05/2010 1:48:32 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: stfassisi

Confession is such a great sacrament! Your comment puts me in mind of a comment Dietrich Bonhoeffer (whom I usually disregard) once wrote about Protestant Christians, but I suppose it could apply to all who do not avail themselves of this sacrament:

““He who is alone with his sin is utterly alone. It may be that Christians, notwithstanding corporate worship, common prayer, and all their fellowship in service, may still be left to their loneliness. The final break-through to fellowship does not occur, because, though they have fellowship with one another as believers and as devout people, they do not have fellowship as the undevout, as sinners. The pious fellowship permits no one to be a sinner. So everybody must conceal his sin from himself and from the fellowship. We dare not be sinners. Many Christians are unthinkably horrified when a real sinner is suddenly discovered among the righteous. So we remain alone with our sin, living in lies and hypocrisy…In confession the break-through to community takes place. Sin demands to have a man by himself. It withdraws him from the community. The more isolated a person is, the more destructive will be the power of sin over him, and the more deeply he becomes involved in it, the more disastrous is his isolation. Sins wants to remain unknown. It shuns the light. In the darkness of the unexpressed it poisons the whole being of a person. This can happen even in the midst of a pious community. In confession the light of the Gospel breaks into the darkness and seclusion of the heart. The sin must be brought into the light. The unexpressed must be openly spoken and acknowledged. All that is secret and hidden is openly manifest. It is a hard struggle until the sin is openly admitted…The expressed, acknowledged sin has lost all its power. It has been revealed and judged as sin. It can no longer tear the fellowship asunder. Now the fellowship bears the sin of the brother. He is no longer alone with his evil for he has cast off his sin in confession and handed it over to God. It has been taken away from him. Now he stands in the fellowship of sinners who live by the grace of God in the Cross of Jesus Christ. Now he can be a sinner and still enjoy the grace of God. He can confess his sins and in this very act find fellowship for the first time. The sin concealed separated him from the fellowship, made all his apparent fellowship a sham; the sin confessed has helped him to find true fellowship with the brethren in Jesus Christ…If a Christian is in the fellowship of confession with a brother he will never be alone again, anywhere…”


4,829 posted on 12/05/2010 1:49:05 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; metmom; stfassisi
Thus, the backing for these presumptions is never ourselves, but our understanding of what God's word says and that it is true.

How do you separate you from your understanding, FK?

4,830 posted on 12/05/2010 1:53:08 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Kolokotronis; Running On Empty
Unfortunately there are many fringe, “nondenominational” self-proclaimed “popes” who make the embarrassing equation between John 1:1 and the Bible, treating the Bible as if it were Christ: The Word of God = the word of God. Bad translations, lead to bad theology. But anyone with more than a single digit IQ score knows that.
4,831 posted on 12/05/2010 2:01:59 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom

INDEED.

Thanks for using the gif. Feel free.


4,832 posted on 12/05/2010 2:05:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7
"Obsolete???So the Doctrine of the Catholic church DOES change ..."

No, but the teaching materials do. Just wondering, how would you explain immaculate conception to six year olds? How does your cult do it?

4,833 posted on 12/05/2010 2:26:12 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: kosta50; Running On Empty
"Bad translations, lead to bad theology."

Every single time.

"But anyone with more than a single digit IQ score knows that."

One would think so, but the evidence is to the contrary.

4,834 posted on 12/05/2010 2:35:26 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Natural Law
No, but the teaching materials do.

So their teaching material was wrong when it said that purgatory dealt with the sin of the man? how is it it had an imprimatur? The catholic Encyclopedia is also obsolete?? I believe it also has an imprimatur

4,835 posted on 12/05/2010 2:58:22 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7
"So their teaching material was wrong when it said that purgatory dealt with the sin of the man?"

If I thought for a minute that you were legitimately interested in the truth I would humor you with an answer, but after years of playing your little gotcha games I know all you are using these questions for is a foil. I am not going to participate further in your using the Religion Forum as wall to throw crap against simply to see what sticks....Merry Christmas.

4,836 posted on 12/05/2010 3:22:24 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Kolokotronis; Running On Empty
One would think so, but the evidence is to the contrary

Not the way they write.

4,837 posted on 12/05/2010 3:39:02 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Belteshazzar
Lutherans simply go with Scripture: If we are saved, it is God’s doing. For the teaching of salvation by grace ultimately leads to the truth that it is God’s election, not ours. Otherwise, grace is not grace. On the other hand, if we are damned it is our doing. If you think about it just a little bit, you will realize that this is what Scripture teaches, even though it is not logical to our way of thinking.

Thanks much, I think I see much better now where you're coming from. From the above description I don't see us being miles and miles apart. Even though we Reformers believe in double predestination, we still say that it is our own fault for going to hell. As I'm sure you would agree, there is simply no way around the Biblical concept that none is with excuse. We have likewise been criticized for apparent problems with logic on this, but still, we say, God has no obligation to follow human notions of what we call "fairness". He is sovereign and can choose as He wishes. If His choice leaves "A" only able to sin, then that's how it is. "A" still commits the sin (or has sin) and is guilty.

Well, Forest Keeper, that will have to be enough for now. I hope you find this at least informative, if not even helpful.

Yes, very much so, thank you. This is all new to me.

4,838 posted on 12/05/2010 4:07:11 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7
No, but the teaching materials do. Just wondering, how would you explain immaculate conception to six year olds? How does your cult do it?

We don't teach fairy tales to our children. We teach them the truth found in Scripture.

4,839 posted on 12/05/2010 4:11:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
"We don't teach fairy tales to our children."

You poison the minds of the innocents.

4,840 posted on 12/05/2010 4:17:56 PM PST by Natural Law
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