Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
The Greek word "parrésia" means *boldness* or *confidence*.
We are to come BOLDLY to the throne of Grace. Not cowering in fear.
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Yeah, I got a chuckle at that, also.
RCC - Roman Comedy Central
Nobody gives a rip what the Catechism says except Catholics. It's THEIR church doctrine, not everybody else's.
Speaking of ignorance of the word, Jesus taught about eternal hellfire, which you've denied in previous posts. It would do you good to read some of what He said so that you don't fall into that error again.
Are you going to apply the same standard to yourself and stop spouting off about what you think Protestants believe?
Or is it *Do as I say, not as I do* time again?
If the authors of the NT believed what they wrote, they found the OT verses "prophetic" of Christ and used them. So, the intent was not necessarily to deceive, but to "prove". The desire was to show that Christ was indeed who they believed he was, so they used whatever they could find to support their conviction.
For instance, Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch, an apocryphal book, because he thought it contained truth about what Christians believed. So, obviously, the intent was not to deceive but to prove, even if their interpretation was not how other Jews understood their scripture
And don't give me "they were inspired" nonsense. Luke tells us it was he who did the work of investigating and compiling, and not the Holy Spirit, because he sure would have given God the credit if he believed he was "guided" by the Spirit.
Even the authors themselves had more humility and honesty than some zealots today. They did what they believed was true, so if they found "prophesies" in the OT it wasn't necessarily in order to deceive.
Then they need to stop thrashing Protestantism and then we'll believe you...You mean like the Catholic church did during the Inquisition? Catholicism's history is rife with examples of an unloving attitude towards *outsiders*.
How can they when this is all the Un-holy anti-Catholic Protestant Alliance is doing, as is clearly evident?
The Protestant did their part of "inquisitng" and burning of Catholics and Anabaptists, and anyone who disagreed with them, so your comment seems rather disingenuous.
"What "throne of grace" is he speaking of? That royal throne concerning which it is said, "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit on My right hand." [Psalm 110:1]
What is "let us come boldly"? Because "we have a sinless High Priest" contending with the world. For, says He, "Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world" [John 16:33]; for, this is to suffer all things, and yet to be pure from sins. Although we (he means) are under sin, yet He is sinless.
How is it that we should "approach boldly"? Because now it is a throne of Grace, not a throne of Judgment. Therefore boldly, "that we may obtain mercy," even such as we are seeking. For the affair is [one of] munificence, a royal largess.
"And may find grace to help in time of need [for help in due season]." He well said, "for help in time of need." If you approach now (he means) you will receive both grace and mercy, for you approach "in due season"; but if you approach then, no longer [will you receive it]. For then the approach is unseasonable, for it is not "then a throne of Grace." Till that time He sits granting pardon, but when the end [has come], then He rises up to judgment. For it is said, "Arise, O God, judge the earth." [Psalm 82:8] ("Let us come boldly," or he says again having no "evil conscience," that is, not being in doubt, for such an one cannot "come with boldness.") On this account it is said, "I have heard you in an accepted time and in a day of salvation have I succored you." [2 Corinthians 6:2] Since even now for those to find repentance who sin after baptism is of grace.
But lest when you hear of an High Priest, you should think that He stands, he immediately leads to the throne. But a Priest does not sit, but stands. Do you see that [for Him] to be made High Priest, is not of nature, but of grace and condescension, and humiliation?
This is it seasonable for us also now to say, "Let us draw near" asking "boldly": let us only bring Faith and He gives all things. Now is the time of the gift; let no man despair of himself. Then [will be] the time of despairing, when the bride-chamber is shut, when the King has come in to see the guests, when they who shall be accounted worthy thereof, shall have received as their portion the Patriarch's bosom: but now it is not as yet so. For still are the spectators assembled, still is the contest, still is the prize in suspense."
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
What a wonderful verse, a verse which demonstrates the difference between the dispensation to the Jews and that given to us Christians! Here is a snip from what +John Chrysostomos, in Homily 14 on Romans, says about it:
"For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear."
Then not staying to mention that which stands in contradistinction to bondage, that is, the spirit of freedom, he has named what is far greater, that of adoption, through which he at the same time brings in the other, saying, "But you have received the Spirit of adoption."
But this is plain. But what the spirit of bondage may be, is not so plain, and there is need of making it clearer. Now what he says is so far from being clear, that it is in fact very perplexing. For the people of the Jews did not receive the Spirit. What then is his meaning here? It is the letter he gives this name to, for spiritual it was, and so he called the Law spiritual also, and the water from the Rock, and the Manna. "For they did eat," he says, "of the same spiritual meat, and all drank of the same spiritual drink." 1 Corinthians 10:3-4 And to the Rock he gives this name, when he says, "For they drank of that spiritual Rock which followed them." Now it is because all the rites then wrought were above nature that he calls them spiritual, and not because those who then partook of them received the Spirit. And in what sense were those letters, letters of bondage? Set before yourself the whole dispensation, and then you will have a clear view of this also. For recompenses were with them close at hand, and the reward followed immediately, being at once proportionate, and like a kind of daily ration given to domestic servants, and terrors in abundance came to their height before their eyes, and their purifications concerned their bodies, and their continency extended but to their actions. But with us it is not so, since the imagination even and the conscience gets purged out. For He does not say, "You shall do no murder," only, but even you shall not be angry: so too, it is not, "You shall not commit adultery," but you shall not look unchastely. So that it is not to be from fear of present punishment, but out of desire towards Himself, that both our being habitually virtuous, and all our single good deeds are to come. Neither does he promise a land flowing with milk and honey, but makes us joint-heir with the Only-Begotten, so making us by every means stand aloof from things present, and promising to give such things especially as are worth the acceptance of men made sons of God, nothing, that is, of a sensible kind or corporeal, but spiritual all of them. And so they, even if they had the name of sons, were but as slaves; but we as having been made free, have received the adoption, and are waiting for Heaven."
I see no conflict with the Prayers and the verses you have cited...apparently +John Chrysostomos didn't either as he was the author of two of the communion prayers I posted.
It is not “foreign to Catholics”.
This is just something to say without factual support.
But it does support the “anything negative I can say about Catholics” approach.
I don’t need the link.
I am Catholic.
I thought your father took you out of the Church after he saw a priest at the racetrack?
Jesus taught about eternal life. The concept of an eternal conscious punishment is a construct of the Reformation used to bludgeon an ignorant population into blind obedience. The greatest punishment is an eternity separated from the presence of God. Corporal punishment is of no consequence after death.
"These will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might" 2 Thessalonians 1:9
Thanks for your pings and great posts.
LUBB
As I posted earlier, I see a form of renewed ——or rather, updated-—form of Phariseeism here.
So are you saying that the scriptures do not support those doctrines?
So where does Catholic doctrine come from, do ALL Catholics agree with it.. just saying...
No. He quit going then. He never stopped any of us.
That’s great. You keep on looking and seeking - and maybe you will find.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.