In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[Kolokotronis]

“I’ll let you know how it turns out if you’re interested.”

Please do!

[boatbums]

If there were Satan and he were trying to supersede God then he is the dumbest villain ever invented.

I know!!! Talk about delusion!

I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving, or "Happy Turkey Day" as the unenlightened say. ;o)

[boatbums]

Thanks! Did that yesterday when I started the brine. I know about the rinsing really good and the drying really good part. I intend to then make a rub of softened butter, garlic, thyme, pepper and sage. I’ll give the birdie a good massage with it both under the skin and on it. Fill the cavity with onion, lemon, bay leaves, and whole garlic cloves, tie it’s wittle wegs and roast him ‘til he’s good and done - but not overdone. My brine was boiling 4 cups of water and stirring in 1 cup kosher salt, 1 cup white sugar, 1 cup brown sugar, lots of fresh-ground pepper, sage, rosemary and thyme. Then I added another 8 cups of cold water and 4 cups of ice and stirred until the brine was cool. I put the turkey (17 lbs.) in a roasting bag in a bucket and poured the brine over it. I sqeezed out the air and tied the bag closed. It has been in the fridge since last evening.

Any last minute advice?

[count-your-change]

Moving on:

Peter calls himself Peter in one letter and Simon Peter in the second and that’s a reason to suppose there are TWO different writers? Right.

A Galilean fisherman couldn’t write well? Says who? What was Peter’s writing style?
Comments on Galileans sound like the arrogant and contemptous statements of the Pharisees toward their supposed “inferiors” at John, chapter seven.

Events? What events?

I must say, I’ve read all the objections and it’s no wonder I have a low opinion of the higher critics.

[count-your-change]

Moving on:

Peter calls himself Peter in one letter and Simon Peter in the second and that's a reason to suppose there are TWO different writers? Right.

A Galilean fisherman couldn't write well? Says who? What was Peter's writing style?
Comments on Galileans sound like the arrogant and contemptuous statements of the Pharisees toward their supposed “inferiors” at John, chapter seven.

Events? What events?

I must say, I've read all the objections and it's no wonder I have a low opinion of the higher critics.

[count-your-change]

Do you believe electrons orbit atoms?

[annalex]

One can find many, many such types in the Old Testament, not just the typology of Mary. But Romanists focus on Mary especially

Why, all these typologies are important and the Church teaches them all. The "focus" on Mary is often the result of the Protestant attacking especially the typologies associated with Mary, and devotion to Mary in general. Naturally, if 90% of what a Catholic apologist has to confront is mariophobia then his responses would be focused on what the attack is about, Mary. I'd much rather discuss the foundational heresies of Protestantism and the foundational orthodoxies of Catholicism, than aspects of venerating one saint or another.

Thank you, again for thoughtful posts on Mariology, especially since they are not clearly motivated by any desire to defend the Catholic Church. It is nice to have an opponent able to reason.

[annalex]

it isn’t known to those outside the Church, and maybe not to some inside the Church. But it is guaranteed to make you sit up and say WT..

Your excitement over that "discovery" is a good illustration of Protestant bumper sticker method. Yeah, I did answer, -- let me know if you have questions.

[annalex]

Decretum Gelasianum

... is itself of dubious veracity; it is merely attributed to Pope Gelasius I (Link)

But let's say there are grounds to condemn the theology on the Protoevangelium. Still, it does nothing to take away from the fact that a 2c. book recorded Mary's intention to not consummate her marriage to Joseph carnally, even before the Annunciation. If it were such an outrageous idea as it is to 21c. Americans, it would not be in the book that survived to this day. We take much historical knowledge from books that are not theologically sound.

[smvoice]

My excitement over that “discovery” is the fact that it is yet another strange, frankly disgusting belief of the RCC, annalex. The beliefs just keep coming, each stranger than the one before. There isn’t a vehicle large enough to sport all the bumper stickers needed to point out grave errors, or just disgraceful RCC teachings.

[annalex]

All virgins can make that claim

The point is, it is not a claim -- she is not claiming anything in Luke 1:34. She is simply puzzled that a prediction is made about her having a son. A woman about to be married would not be puzzled at all. She would say something like -- Thanks, so it will be a boy. Unless there was no possibility of conceiving from Joseph at all.

Read the scripture with attention and you will learn the truth that the Catholic Church has taught for centuries.

[annalex]

I’m having to revamp a lot of my gifs

Please. That laughing donkey is good, but on a hundredth post the thrill is not quite the same.

[annalex]

Mary wasn't intending to have children with her fiancee, as you say, but when she was married

Apparently, she was not intending to have children at all, because there was nothing in the Angel's speech to indicate the conception was to occur prior to the marriage. You can go around saying "thou shalt conceive in thy womb" to every engaged to be married girl on earth and you will not hear a response "How?".

[annalex]

Haven’t we just learned tonight that the Pope’s Infallibility can sometimes be Falllible?

Waht the Pope says is still subject to the test of reasoned faith. If it happens, the conclusion would be that the Pope somehow lost the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Mind you, it has not happened. I don't think it will ever happen. But if it will, we know our faith.

[stfassisi]

Why is it so difficult to grasp the idea that there can be a Godly hate of something evil that in no way compromises his eternal nature?

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that God would have to be changed and MOVED from love by an outside source in order to hate,thus making that outside source having power to move God from love

Again, do you believe God had hate in Him before the fall of lucifer? If you believe this than hate would be part of God's essence and God would be dualistic

[annalex]

The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us

It says the former, but not the later. Nowhere it says that we are saved by faith alone, and James 2 says the opposite. I stick with the scripture. You spin it. Let us spend a bit of time to see how.

James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false

Yes, so far, so good.

he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone

Huh? Which verse is that? No verse is saying that in the entire Bible.

If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers

Again, you stating what you are supposed to prove. No other inspired writer taught anything but the doctrine that salvation is by grace alone through faith and conditional on good works that please God (Eph 2:8-10, many similar).

If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example.

Why? In Romans 4 St. Paul explains that it was not circumcision that saved Abraham, because in general, as the Catholic Church teaches, works done in obedienced to laws do not save anyone. In James 2, however, the same Abraham is shown in another eposode where his works cooperated with this faith: "Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac". Note the simple statement "justified by works", in full accordance with Matthew 25:31-46 and, more pointedly, now that we are ont he topic of Abraham, Hebrews 11:8f. That Abraham got himself circumcised was a legal requirement. That is what St. Paul says in Romans 4. Fulfilling a legal requirement is not salvific (see also Galatians, all on that topic). But works done out of love of God are salvific: offering up Isaac was salvific, crossing the deserty was salvific, feeding the hungry and clothing the poor is salvific. St. James teaches that good works justify and save. So does Christ Himself in the Homily on the Mount, in Matthew 25, so does St. Paul in Eph 2:8-10 or Romans 2:6-10. St. James is not in need of any spin. What he says so plainly other say equally plainly. We are saved when our good works of love cooperate with our faith. That is living faith: one that is worked out in works. We are not saved by faith alone.

[stfassisi]

When John received his revelation about the end times he could not have understood how things could occur such as "the mark of the beast" or the ability to control the buying and selling of all things

How do you know that John did not understand? You're just guessing

[boatbums]

I don't wish to unnecessarily drag on the arguments about Mary's perpetual virginity, but you should know that the idea of there being “temple virgins” who took vows of life-long celibacy did not exist in the Jewish temple system. It did, however, go on in the pagan ones. There were even temple prostitutes in the Roman Temples of Diana. Diana was known to be the virgin goddess and looked after virgins and women. She was one of the three maiden goddesses, Diana, Minerva and Vesta, who swore never to marry. Interestingly enough, she is called the “Queen of Heaven” and is shown standing on a moon.

[RegulatorCountry]

Nope, sounds awesome. You’ve been advised well or sought out good info.

[kosta50]

Is that in the white man’s scripture too? I thought it was just in our African scriptures!

Yes, bwana. :)