Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Don't make me laugh. The exclusive acceptance of one source versus another bases solely upon the degree to which it agrees with your biases is as phony as the pretense of objectivity. As the Obama speech at Notre Dame showed everyone "Catholic" universities are not run by the Catholic Church and as institutionally leftward biased as any secular institution. Having recently had one son graduate from a prominent "Catholic" university I know the degree to which it has lurched left since I attended.
That whole four legs good, two legs bad argument is simply so much Bovine Scat. Luther was a Lutheran, he willingly left the Church as did you. Hitler was an occult worshiping leftist. His religious background was as much Jewish (Scheckelgruber) as it was Catholic and probably underpinned his hatred for both as with you.
Both reared under Catholic anti semitism
Nobody in their right mind believes that. Unless you are claiming that the Catholic Church somehow controlled all of Luther's beliefs giving them all credit and all blame for all of his actions you have to concede that he was an individual of free thought and free will. The logical refutation of your hypothesis is that when Luther ceased being a Catholic he did not cease being an antisemite. Further, neither all Catholics or Lutherans are antisemites making Luther's evil purely a personal issue.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. More than sufficient indirect evidence is available to have convinced the vast majority of historians, regardless of their individual religious backgrounds and biases.
By the way, what exactly is a "Biblical Eunuchtarian"?
Sure you don't want a "do-over" on that phrase???
It is a poor assumption by Catholic theologians to say that Satan would be the receiver of such a payment. That would be like saying Abraham was sacrificing Isaac to Satan. Rather, I would suggest, the payment needed to be made to God the Father.
St. Irenus did. He was an Eastern Christian.
My, my. You sure had to go back far enough. I doubt if Irenus would believe that the Pope is the authoritarian spokeperson of the Church today. The Orthodox certainly don't.
Augustine's support of Church doctrine in his times attests to his general support since those doctrines have not and will never change.
Yes, but that was when the Church was in it's infancy. But towards the end of his life, Augustine got the message of the gospel. His Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints was a primary mover in my Reformed views (as well as influencing Calvin, Luther and others).
The Church does not teach this [sic: homosexuality is a sin]. If you indulge lust in your mind, that is a sin. ....Even though some Church human institutions have been temporarily infiltrated by homosexuals, her divinely guided against the sin...
In one place you tell me that homosexuality isn't a sin and then in another you say it is.
After forcing many Jews to be baptized and then referring to them as Marranos (swine), and after an Inquisition in which some 700 Marranos were burnt at the stake for showing signs of “Jewish” taint, Spain expels all Jews from the country..1492
LOL
Yet the church ordained homosexuals, made them Bishops and covered for child rapists.. It is say one thing and do another
I know. Wouldn't that be like saying Buddha was a Buddhist, Confucius was a Confucianist, Calvin was a Calvinist or Jesus Christ was a Christian?
What do you mean "temporarily"? Priests are priests until they die. Even those who have been banned from performing their daily functions in the Church can perform "emergency" last rites.
I don;t know why you are changing the subject, but are you suggesting that all crimes and sins committed by any nation or government are the direct fault and responsibility of the dominant religion or religious institution? Does this apply to individuals committing the crimes and sins and to all adherents of the dominant religion?
Is all of this nonsense derived from predestination, is it outside predestination or is there some crazy selective application where everything good is the result of the individual (Luther) and everything bad is the result of his Catholic past?
Not at all. Its truth is its simplicity. Lutheranism is not something separate from Luther.When Luther left the Church he embodied the belief system later named for him.
it may have been superfluous for her, what about Joseph? Her having sex wasn't all about her and her needs
What goes for Mary, goes for Joseph too. He is her husband; whqt they do, or rather don't do, they do together.
She would also be disobeying God's command to be fruitful and multiply
Riiight. Christ alone kinda feels not fruitful enough.
Well, would you then say that Buddha was Buddhist? Calvin was Calvinist, Jesus was Christian??? My simple point is that Luther was Roman Catholic and would have remained so if the Church had not excommunicated him. They certainly did make changes that he brought up but refused the main one on which they had gone off-track - salvation by faith alone. I, like him, could not remain knowing the truth from God's word either.
FYI - The followers of a person's teaching are called by the teacher's name, hence, Lutherans follow the teaching of Martin Luther; Calvinists, Calvin; Christians, Jesus Christ. The belief system was later named after the person. Do you get my point?
There is nothing in what St. Paul wrote that Catholic church doesn't teach. You (pl) labor under illusion that St. Paul supported "Faith Alone". He did not. What he did say was that works under the law (Jewish or otherwise), or works done for wages, or works done for some other reward, e.g. boasting, do not save. That Catholic Church teaches as well. St. Paul also said that we are judged by our works (Romans 2:6-10) and that we are saved by grace alone though grace and on the condition that we do good works (Eph 2:5-10). The Protestants don't understand St. Paul and just assume that St. Paul somehow supports them in their error. The truth is you (pl) are counter-Pauline and counter-scriptural.
And if she won't answer, then annalex, is this true? Does the RCC teach that Mary's husband is the Holy Spirit? If so, this would answer the question as to WHY it is so important to RCs that she maintain her virginity after the birth of Christ.
If you read the letter to Galatians with attention you will realize that nowhere does St. Paul say that we are saved by faith alone. What he does say is that the “works of the law” have no salvific effect. That is Catholic through and through. The works that do contribute to our salvatin are “good works” such as enumerated in Matthew 25:31-46. By those we are evidently saved, as both Jesus teaches that and St. Paul repeats in Romans 2:6-10. You(pl) only think that St. Paul supports the Protestant error because you (pl) have no interest in reading and understanding the scripture, as Protestants. When you protest the Church, you protest against the scripture, too.
Oh here it is, posted by mlizzy. From the thread "So Little Time Left (Urgent Messages from Mark Mallett). It's a treasure trove of Mary's spouse being the Holy Spirit.
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