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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: MarkBsnr

Thanks.

Likewise.


1,061 posted on 11/07/2010 7:21:37 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/germany/wittenberg-luther-house gives a good description of Martin Luther’s estate. I don’t know where you are getting your information from but I suspect that it is the same place that our children get their from that has us number 50 or so in the world in terms of scholastic ability. You are so wrong on so many levels that it boggles my mind.


1,062 posted on 11/07/2010 7:23:25 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Quix; OLD REGGIE; boatbums; bkaycee
many anti-Scriptural beliefs and practices taught by Rome

Name one. You can correctly point to beliefs that are not directly taught by the scripture. But there is nothing that the Church teaches that contradicts the scripture. This stands tin stark contrast to the Protestant nonsense that is directly contradicted by plain scripture in its foundations.

1,063 posted on 11/07/2010 7:23:44 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: presently no screen name

Mary being a co-redeemer would not contradict any scripture. Surely she participated in the act of redemption by giving birth to Jesus. Obviously, she did not herself redeem any sin, but that it not the meaning of co-Redeemer. The way Catohlics use it, it means that she uniquely and greatly participated in the redemptive work of Christ as His mother.

Besides, Mary the Co-redeemer is not a dogmatic teaching of the Church. It is jsut a title some give her. It is not, for example, taught in the Catechism.


1,064 posted on 11/07/2010 7:27:32 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

1,065 posted on 11/07/2010 7:30:48 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: annalex; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
What? Scripture alone isn't good enough for us? It was for the disciples and other NT people, like Jesus.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Not through the church.

Not through traditions.

Not through sacraments.

Through the word of Christ.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

Mark 12:24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Luke 24:32They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

Luke 24:45Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

John 2:22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

Acts 17:11Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

1,066 posted on 11/07/2010 7:31:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; metmom; caww; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums
Jan Hus

Hus was a protocommunist heretic of the first rank, who inspired a bloody peasant revolt. No apology there.

The quote from the current Catechism is worthless

The quote expresses regret in the cooperation with the torturers adn condemns torture. This is why the Inquisition in any its modern form will not cooperate with any government as it abuses human dignity, and will not, of course, itself abuse human dignity.

The Catholic Church is no longer a secular power

To the extent that over 1 billion Catholics in the secular world listen to the Church, she is.

1,067 posted on 11/07/2010 7:33:00 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; smvoice; RnMomof7; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Quix
I am colling it a day with this post, more tomorrow.

Does that include priests who molest boys?

Individual clergy and Catholic laity do err, at times most gravely. No one said otherwise. This is why we need an American Inquisition, by the way.

1,068 posted on 11/07/2010 7:37:33 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
Yes, it si affirmed. Nothing the Church teaches contradicts the scriptures.

It sure does. Constantly.

Tell us where Scripture states the perpetual virginity of Mary, the immaculate conception, the assumption of Mary, that Jesus didn't have any siblings, commands to pray to saints, use of holy water, that tradition is to be of equal authority with Scripture, that the church is infallible in morality and faith, that it wrote the OT.

To start with.... There's lots more contradictions between what Scripture teaches and the Bible teaches. If the Catholic church did indeed write the Bible, you'd think it would have been more careful to make sure that the Bible reflected Catholic teaching better.

Which shouldn't be surprising since it is he Church who wrote the New Testament and assembled, canonized and explained the Old.

The Catholic church simply cannot take credit for the OT, no matter how much they want to. It was recognized by Jews and Christ Himself as Scripture well before the Catholic church was recorded to have come along.

1,069 posted on 11/07/2010 7:38:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ..

What a joke, criticizing Luther for having an estate.

Images of the Vatican
http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/vatican.html

The pope’s plane
http://www.google.com/images?q=pope%27s+plane&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=QW7XTI3uCoOglAe0iuX9CA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQsAQwAA&biw=1231&bih=710

The pope’s helicopter
http://www.google.com/images?q=pope%27s+helicopter+images&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=o27XTL_oDMKAlAf5g439CA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQsAQwAA&biw=1231&bih=710

The popemobile
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=KWy&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=popemobile&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=z27XTOS9F4T7lwf7u9T9CA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CC4QsAQwAQ&biw=1231&bih=710

If Luther’s property was legally his through earning or inheritance, what’s the issue? Would it be better if he lived like that off the donations of his followers?


1,070 posted on 11/07/2010 7:46:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
The claim was that the Vatican ordered Luther's death. It didn't. My point was that Luther had a rather large estate for his own personal life. The Vatican could have killed him if they had in fact ordered the killing. The unlettered folks out there have no clue as to what actually has gone on, no idea of history, and no idea of reality.

You think that the Vatican is the Pope's personal estate? I think that we may have fallen to 51...

All right, where did Luther get his money from? Where did he get the money to pay for his estate and his indentured servants? Remember that he was a penniless monk. And most houses in Germany at the time were little hovels or row houses. How did he afford this estate?

1,071 posted on 11/07/2010 7:54:43 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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1,072 posted on 11/07/2010 7:57:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; RnMomof7
From your link.....

The Augustinian monastery of Wittenberg, at which Martin Luther was a monk, was dissolved at the outset of the Reformation. Part of it was made into a residence hall for students and the rest was given to Luther as a family home.

What's the matter? You have something against private property? Money? People owning their own stuff?

1,073 posted on 11/07/2010 8:01:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex; presently no screen name; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ..

Another situation where the Catholic church doesn’t say what it claims it means but says something that needs to be explained away or clarified.

Don’t you guys ever get tired of that? Nobody believes it any more, well, I guess except other Catholics who’ve been conditioned to not think for themselves.

If they had been, they’d see the absurdity of all these claims a long time ago.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redeemer

: a person who redeems;

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/co-

1: with : together : joint : jointly eg coexist, coheir

2: in or to the same degree eg coextensive

a : one that is associated in an action with another : fellow : partner eg coauthor, coworker

b : having a usually lesser share in duty or responsibility : alternate : deputy eg copilot

If the Catholic church is giving to Mary a title that says she is co-redeemer when she’s not, they are lying. They have no business making false claims about anyone.


1,074 posted on 11/07/2010 8:13:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
"You have something against private property?"

I sure hope Luther bought title insurance.......

1,075 posted on 11/07/2010 8:15:10 PM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: MarkBsnr

What? Didn’t you superior education teach you that?

You need to get your money back.


1,076 posted on 11/07/2010 8:15:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr

MarkBsnr asked:
“All right, where did Luther get his money from? Where did he get the money to pay for his estate and his indentured servants? Remember that he was a penniless monk. And most houses in Germany at the time were little hovels or row houses. How did he afford this estate?”

Why don’t you look up facts for yourself? It is really easy to do, if one actually wants to learn the truth of the matter. On the other hand, if one just wants to cast baseless aspersions ...


1,077 posted on 11/07/2010 8:22:31 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: annalex
Mary being a co-redeemer would not contradict any scripture

Well, then, you don't know Scripture!

Surely she participated in the act

It was the act of the HOLY SPIRIT. She participated in the 'act' with her other children.

The way Catohlics use it, it means that she uniquely and greatly participated in the redemptive work of Christ as His mother.

What is 'unique' about OBEDIENCE and being a willing servant of God? And Mary said, “Behold, I am the SERVANT of the Lord; let it be to me according to YOUR WORD.” And the angel departed from her".

What Catholics should learn from Mary is OBEYING THE WORD and trash the counterfeit bible, the catechism.

Besides, Mary the Co-redeemer is not a dogmatic teaching of the Church. It is jsut a title some give her. It is not, for example, taught in the Catechism.

Just a title SOME give her? Tell me, WHO DOESN'T?

And that is not the ONLY title given to her. Queen of Heaven, Queen of Purgatory, etc. etc, - and the list is ENDLESS.

Satan wanted the status of God, so with the help of the RCC he uses deception to raise up a human to give it a co-status with The Almighty. Evil knows NO bounds.
1,078 posted on 11/07/2010 8:47:36 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: metmom

Interesting comparison. Jesus walked through the hot deserts with his disciples healing the sick, raising the dead vs. all the pomp and frills and protection for what should be a simple servant of The Lord.

The Roman Empire, The Vatican Empire.


1,079 posted on 11/07/2010 9:00:34 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name

I could see Jesus dressed like that waving His arms and hands around in greetings like that.

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Not.....


1,080 posted on 11/07/2010 9:02:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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