Logo,
The irony of YOU demanding evidence that mormons lie, shade the truth, tell half truths, etc. is amazing. This comes after
YOUR half truth or avoiding the truth was called out by
color country -
... here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2614709/posts?page=222#222
... and here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2614709/posts?page=225#225
... So, YOU are exhibit #1. Would you like a link to a
mirror on Amazon?
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But let’s go on from here:
... First, I observe that your religion was founded by
a liar, Joseph Smith. The following link shows the court
transcript where it was testified under oath that ol’
Joe told his neighbors he could see buried treasure under
ground, but knew he was lying.
... here:
“Addison Austin was next called upon, who testified, that at the very same time that Stowell was digging for money, he, Austin, was in company with said Smith alone, and asked him to tell him honestly whether he could see this money or not.
“Smith hesitated some time, but finally replied, “to be candid, between you and me, I cannot, any more than you or any body else; but any way to get a living.”
“Here, then, we have his own confession, that he was a vile, dishonest impostor.”
http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1877Purp.htm
The First Mormon, Joseph Smith was a liar.
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... Second, the teachings of mormonism are themselves lies:
1. Mormonism lies about God as a created being
2. Mormonism lies about Christ as a created being
3. Mormonism lies about the Holy Spirit as a created being
4. Mormonism lies that there are multiple gods
5. This could go on forever, but this is sufficient
for any objective person to conclude that the teaching and
foundation of mormonism is a lie.
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... Reaganaut, I’m pinging you, as a former member of mormonism and asking you to testify (they love that word!) as to your personal experience in being trained on how to “lie for the Lord” as a mormon.
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... YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c60UrLuZIaU
- a mormon trainer teaching mormons how to deceive and
justifying it using mormon morality.
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... I am testifying (mormons love that word) that on this very forum, mormons avoid the truth, lie overtly, tell half truths
to look Christian, etc. I submit the mormon threads as
evidence.
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... And I am calling the others I pinged to “testify” to
this mormon, who is asking for evidence that mormons
habitually deceive, tell lies, fail to tell the whole
truth, shade the truth, avoid the truth, etc. He
needs help
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Logo, thank you for the opportunity to expose the very
foundation of mormonism. Stay tuned for incoming facts,
evidence and logical argumentation from those who know
mormonism from the temple on down, who’ve worn the magic
underwear and performed the rituals. They can share with
readers their personal experience. Anyone else that can
help answer Logo’s desire for evidence that mormonism
is built on a foundation of lies or give examples of
mormons lying, please chime in - he asked for it, though
if I had to guess, I think he knows it already, since he
used a half truth earlier. The least we can do is help
him...
...then, he says, we have something to talk about. Imagine,
a mormon being willing to talk. This is worth pursuing.
best,
ampu
So, you believe doctrinal differences are lies? Really, you should learn the definitions of words before you use them, especially inflammatory words like lie and lying.
BTW, Mormonism does not teach that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are "created beings." Because we do not believe in creation ex nihilo, terms such as created being, necessary being, contingent being, etc. are foreign to our doctrine. So, according to your criterion, are you lying about us?
This post is really for the sake of all. I sent what I wrote below to Logo July 6 earlier this year...and it didn't seem to do any good then. But what I want "ALL" to know is that Mormons got into a terrible habit of "prevaricating" during their polygamy years, especially the 1880s...and then to cover up their ongoing polygamy they continued that habit from the top down into the 1890s and 1900s.
When you can justify lying, it tends to get into your blood...and Mormons have learned well from their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and great-great grandparents...those who were prevaricating in that period of 1880s through about 1907...and defending such prevarications.
I'll show what I mean in two posts...the second is what a personal secretary (a Mormon) to Reed Smoot had to go through between 1903 and 1907 to try to defend truth and honor among Mormon leaders who were openly practicing falsehood, deceit, and dishonor.
But first, here's some historical late 19th century backdrop to what was happening in those early 1900s:
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The Lds apologetics org, FAIR, posted this lengthy article by Gregory L. Smith, MD: Polygamy, Prophets, and Prevarication
You can read it for yourself. I'll give you a quick paraphrased upshot as it pertained at least to concessions Gregory Smith made about prevarication & deception within Mormon history.
In the article, Smith concedes:
* Polygamy was lied about during Nauvoo years (Smith puts lying in quotations);
* Lying for the Lord has been taught & implied by some Mormons;
* Just because some Mormon leaders lied, he still contended any takeaways somebody might glean from that -- that it might somehow be construed as a condition tolerated w/in the Lds community when he felt it wasn't;
* Some Lds leaders, like George Q. Cannon of the First Presidency around the turn of the century, favored denying any specific charges about the practice of polygamy in Utah [Smith cited Michael Quinn "Authority and New Plural Marriages" as a source];
* He said the Manifesto sanctioned active misdirection;
* He said with the Church's destruction at stake, the manifesto "extended the degree of deception which was permissible" in order to keep that from happening. Therefore, 'twas Woodruff's duty to provide a formal doc which he knew to be false in some of its particulars. * Woodruff sought to maintain "plausible deniability." How did he do that? Well, while he'd refuse to personally approve a post-Manifesto polygamous marriage, he'd turn around & refer these potential polygamists to counselor George Q. Cannon for a recommend! *****
I told Logo this in July, adding: Logo 'twas this kind of open deception that Mormon apologist Gregory L. Smith conceded to occur that has long stayed with the Lds reputation-wise.
If you click on any of the MANY sub-titles of that paper where the word "Lying" appears...you'll find all these comments Smith made.
We need to understand that this is the true "heritage" of the Utah "saints"