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To: MHGinTN
Are you inviting Godzilla to go with the god of Mormonism, as defined by the following direct quotes from Momron leadership/prophets/apostles? ...

The God of Abraham, Isaac and of Jacob will do fine.

Here follow direct quotes from Mormon religion's first great liar, Joseph Smith, then the sleazy parsing of subsequent LDS leaders ... pay close attention to the parsing their peepstone liar uses with the term 'in the beginning':

Liar, peepstone, liar, sleazy, parsing,peepstone and liar again... What? that was all, you couldn't come up with anything more insulting without getting banned? you need vocabulary help my friend.

The really sad thing is you think I'll get mad. I ran a technical support department for six years, yawn. all your "invective" is making me sleepy.

I understand that your mind can only comprehend time, my religion however does not limit itself to the abnormal space in the eternities known as "time".
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Skipping all your "quotations", because they are actually irrelevant to your point.

I will readily concede that we have a wider vision than "orthodox Christianity", I will concede that because we believe all men are God's children, and that children grow up to be like their fathers that men can become like God. and with that logic, God may, indeed probably was once some time in the eternities ago a man on some earth. The Deification of man is Biblical (My page has links if you want them) That God is our Father is Biblical, the rest is just logic, and I dare say is better supported than the Trinity is.

Mormonism has been ploytheistic since the very founding of the cult by Joseph Smith:

Sigh, this has been alleged unsuccessfully for... well longer than I have been alive. "One", the very meaning of "One" is up for debate here. When God commanded that a husband and wife be "One" flesh; When God commanded that the church members be "One"; When Jesus (God) commanded his disciples to be "One"; when God (Jesus) drew simile between his and God the father's oneness, he did not use "One" in the context you are using it. We are not polytheists, continuing to state that is a misrepresentation of the truth. I have explained it many times. You know what our stand is. There is no excuse for you to still be saying this with not even a nod to what we actually believe.

So, Delph, you inviting Godzilla to go with that Mormon god your peepstone sexual predator of married women self-proclaimed prophet spoke of in the above quotes?

Peepstone, sexual predator, adulterer, self proclaimed... oh come on, I'm sure you could find some more pejoratives to pile on.. do you want some suggestions?

I am inviting everyone to go to the God of Abraham, and of Issac, and Of Jacob and ask him about the Book of Mormon.

I have always said that. It's on my page (which needs to be updated now as the links to a free BOM and Bible are broken) I have said that literally for years.

MHG, it's good to see that you are talking to me again.

May God have mercy upon you and send his spirit to be with you to bless and comfort you.

Delph
366 posted on 11/19/2010 8:51:37 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; Godzilla; Colofornian; aMorePerfectUnion; caww; CynicalBear; Vendome; greyfoxx39; ...
Skipping all your "quotations", because they are actually irrelevant to your point. DelphiUser

To the mind lost in the mormonism hive, the quotes from your founders which prove the heretical beliefs at the heart of Mormonism do look irrelevant and such an mind isn't likely to even read them. But readers need to see the true nature of the Mormonism cultic teaching, so here we go again. BTW, the god of Mormonism is not the God of the Bible, but I can see why mormonism apologists want to float that deceit:

"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).
"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).

"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).
"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).
"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).
"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346).
"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).

But wait! There’s more astonishing Mormonism heresy :

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)

Smith's worldview of time as it pertains to the gods: Smith believed in a "beginning" that was operative before the Mormon plan to the create this world. The question becomes, who is the head of the Gods as pertains to this ‘council of gods?

In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)

According to Smith's worldview, "the heads of the Gods appointed one God for us."

Whatever "time frame" or eternity is chosen, only ONE GOD was chosen by a plurality of gods. It doesn't say a plurality of gods was chosen by a plurality of gods. Therefore, no Mormon godhead existed when the council chose the Mormon god! Apparently, the mormonism godhead of god the father, god the holy spirit, and god the jesus developed later .
The convolutions/confusions are rife in Mormonism. Despite the above teaching, LDS leader, Bruce McConkie, taught that lds worship 3 gods:
"Three separate personages-Father, Son and holy Ghost- comprise the Godhead…these three are the only Gods we worship."(Mormon Doctrine 1966 ed. P.576-577).

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

Whatever is taken by Smith as the ’beginning’, the Alpha point, Smith says god was a man. That he "was once as we are now." We already know from the above quote that the godhead came even after the Mormon god was appointed. The Mormon god was no godhead in the beginning Smith portrays, yet John’s Gospel starts with the Word, Jesus, was with God and was God in the beginning.

“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

What's being said here? … The teaching of infinite regression of gods! Smith is claiming that Jesus had a grandpa and great-grandpa!

Finally, Smith claims that God the Father also laid down His life in some sort of redemptive way, to earn/gain exaltation! Which means whatever "time" you want to leave undefined, apparently God the Father had time enough to live as a man and die as a man for some whole other world.

Smith says heavenly father laid down his life as a redeemer on another world. Brigham Young added that “every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter”. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, p. 71, 1870)

If there is no ultimate beginning, then there is no ‘Alpha‘, which of course contradicts what God said of Himself as The Alpha and Omega. That is one big heresy at the heart of Mormonism, but the mormonism apologists want you to ignore these heresies and focus elsewhere, anywhere, so long as the truth about this heretical cult is not exposed!

We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so on, from generation to generation, from one heavenly world to another still more ancient, until our minds are wearied and lost in the multiplicity of generations and successive worlds, … and as a last resort, we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten. But why does man seek for a first, when revelation informs him that God's works are without beginning? (Lds apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 132, 1853)

369 posted on 11/19/2010 9:24:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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