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To: Walts Ice Pick; Tax-chick
Isn't it more likely that a church would discourage contraception for business reasons - to grow the flock?

This proposition is problematic because it takes a deeply-held, philosophically and theologically sound moral and ethical proposition that has been steadfastly considered and held by the catholic church since the advent of modern anti-conception technology and asserts that all they're really trying to do is increase their coffers.

It also ignores that even Catholics are commissioned and charged to be evangelists. Children are more likely to stay in the religious faith of their parents, but Christianity is an evangelistic faith in which members sin by failing to communicate the gospel to the lost. The church grows by evangelism to both family members and to the unsaved.

And this next statement is more apropos of the fact that I'm about to leave work for my personal evangelism class at church and is not related to my above critique, but do you consider yourself to be a good person?

If God were to judge you for how you've lived your life, do you think you'd be innocent or guilty?

The bible says that anyone who has violated any portion of God's law -- told a lie, stolen anything, looked at another person with lust -- is guilty of sin and the punishment for that is death and hell. Christ, however, by living a sinless life and dying on the cross as a sacrifice for sin paid the penalty for my sin and everyone else's and that by accepting his propitiation of our sin we can be set free of God's judgment.

Thanks in advance for letting me get that out. Best regards, FATC

24 posted on 10/20/2010 3:13:36 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: FateAmenableToChange
This proposition is problematic because it takes a deeply-held, philosophically and theologically sound moral and ethical proposition that has been steadfastly considered and held by the catholic church since the advent of modern anti-conception technology and asserts that all they're really trying to do is increase their coffers.

It also ignores that even Catholics are commissioned and charged to be evangelists. Children are more likely to stay in the religious faith of their parents, but Christianity is an evangelistic faith in which members sin by failing to communicate the gospel to the lost. The church grows by evangelism to both family members and to the unsaved.

Your Paragraph 2 hardly cites something that is "ignored" - in fact, it is used as evidence to support the assertion you try to dismiss in your Paragraph 1

And this next statement is more apropos of the fact that I'm about to leave work for my personal evangelism class at church and is not related to my above critique, but do you consider yourself to be a good person? If God were to judge you for how you've lived your life, do you think you'd be innocent or guilty?

Your question is an insult to all Christianity. You've conflated the insidious and utterly dishonest tactic of using an emotional attack to prevent cogent rebuttal of a spurious claim, with Jesus' command to spread His teachings.

Is there anyone on this planet - except for yourself, of course - who you would judge as innocent enough to take a position contrary to your own, without you judging them as too shamefully impure to have am independent personal opinion?

Tellya what - instead of going to evangelism class, why don't you go serve food at a homeless shelter for about twenty years - in silence - and learn some humility. Because all you're doing with your mouth is making Catholicism seem abhorrent.

57 posted on 10/20/2010 7:20:34 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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