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Just more of these Osage
Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Just more of these Osage
Good luck with that. Take plenty of supplies for a long wait.
Sock it to ‘em! But in the end, if an anti-Mormon hears the truth of the Gospel restored and disregards it, are we responsible to correct their misinformation again? The key to the passage of James1:5-6 is asking in faith... they cannot truthfully do that or they would be like us. Keep at it restornu
In your opinion, how significant are the additions and changes that Joseph Smith made to the Book of the Revelation when he fashioned his JS Translation of the King James Bible, from King James English, into King James English?
The fact that that particular book has a curse on any who would add to or take away from it ought to tell Mormons something about Joseph Smith's precarious position before God. He would be in imminent danger, according to the words found in the Book of the Revelation. It would also be yet another example of the inanity of believing JS was a man approved of God when Smith continued to supply contradictions to God's Word. [Is the Mormon god so feckless that he cannot inspire JS to make the complete and proper corrections to the Bible, so folks could no longer claim 'as far as it is translated correctly'?]
“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)
"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).
"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).
"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).
"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346).
"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).
That has always been on of my issues. If Smith had a direct line to the Almighty, why did he not get an exact errata sheet for the Bible and fix it completely.
Also why the almost 4000 edits to the “Perfect” BoM.
Is god that bad a writer on was there a loose connection between him and Smith and he kept having to call back or what?
Clear...
[Stourme]
As mud...
It is your choice to ignore a Prophet and to turn to name calling. You can post all the “excerpts” you want but it isn’t going to stop or even slow the work that is going forth. I believe Joseph Smith was correct when he uttered what is now referred to as The Standard of Truth:
“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.”
Parse as you will, your vitriol on a blog and elsewhere only adds to the credibility and momentum of The Work just as the Pharisees, Saducees and other detractors only served as lessons to be taught by The Savior, Jesus Christ. I applaud your efforts.
BBL
Probably since you are using the sanitized version published by the lds and not the IV published by the RLDS. The facts are that smith added and subtracted from the Book of Revelation.
The quotes in #1206 are not parsing, they’re direct quotes from the peepstone liar you call a prophet and subsequent liars who have lead your religion. If you want to reputiated those quotes, I’m all ears, otherwise you’re just another blind sycophant to a demon spawned collection of heresies given to blaspheming Whom God is and Whom the Savior is and The Plan of Salvation. If you do not repent of these blasphemies which you endorse you will find the place eternity draws you to will not be a zone for high fives and smug condescension while in torment for rejecting God’s Grace.
who are you to say I have rejected God’s Grace? I have said a little prayer that invited The Lord Jesus Christ into my heart in front of an Assembly of God Congregation when I was at boot camp. The fact that I have built on that Faith through an imperfect Prophet (i would like you to point out a perfect one) seems to to be more like a 1st grader begrudging a college student for knowing calculus.
The torment will be all yours when you realize how easy it would have been to follow The Plan of Salvation only to hear Christ reply “I know ye not.”
Are you asking me the question? If you are...of course they both were imperfect. I actually think B. Young was off his rocker. And J. Smith was a two-bit con man.
I dunno it's an easy question....just a simple yes or no will do. Why do you suppose.....PD won't answer?
I liked this excerpt from the link... Not my personal belief but, ok
“Catholicism and other false religions are leading many into eternal damnation with great deception.”
http://www.rockycreekbaptist.org
He was an insatiable adulterer.
He coerced young women into sex by abusing their trust in his position and through threats of "eternal punishment".
He abused the devotion of his wife by "receiving revelation" that she was to submit and accept his sexual appetites with other women or she would be destroyed.
He was complicit in the destruction of a free press because they were about to reveal his sexual abuses.
He was directly responsible for defrauding hundreds, if not thousands of his followers in the Bank of Kirtland scheme. A scheme similar to the one a certain Bernie Madoff was pulling off.
Just to name a few.
"Imperfect"? Yeah, I suppose so.
Here follow direct quotes from Mormon religion's first great liar, Joseph Smith, then the sleazy parsing of subsequent LDS leaders ... pay close attention to the parsing their peepstone liar uses with the term 'in the beginning':
In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)
"I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)
"Endowed with agency and subject to eternal laws, man began his progression and advancement in pre-existence, his ultimate goal being to attain a state of glory, honor, and exaltation like the Father of spirits. During his earth life he gains a mortal body, receives experience in earthly things, and prepares for a future eternity after the resurrection when he will continue to gain knowledge and intelligence. (D. & C. 130:18-19.) This gradually unfolding course of advancement and experience -- a course that began in a past eternity and will continue in ages future -- is frequently referred to as a course of eternal progression." (For the math challenged, there is no such thing as a different or past eternity separate from the eternity we are traveling now. This flimflam approach to fibbing is prevalent in Mormonism. If something began then it had a beginning, so it was either created or came to be ex nihilo.)
"Those who gain exaltation, having thus enjoyed the fullness of eternal progression, become like God." It should be realized that God is not progressing in knowledge, truth, virtue, wisdom, or any of the attributes of godliness. He has already gained these things in their fullness. But he is progressing in the sense that his creations increase, his dominions expand, his spirit offspring multiply, and more kingdoms are added to his domains. (Elder Bruce McConkie, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 5-10.) (So far the teaching from Mormon leadership has left choices: either everything has always existed without ever being created, or the god of Mormonism was on equal standing with each of us in some nebulous past eternity of pre-existence, or everything is created but distributed into separate eternities.)"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).
"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).
In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)
There is so much collected from the writings of the LDS leadership that is available on the Net we could go on and on quoting this rot. But let's pause to consider the deceit at the heart of this stuff. We'll make an assumption that all the teachers we've quoted really believe this rot. Whom does that leave as responsible for these heretical teachings? The father of lies, a murderer from the start. And it is he, the father of lies, who is murdering the souls of those who swallow this rot and are drawn away from the simple plan of Salvation through faithing in the Grace of God in Christ. 'Salvation cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.' The above quoted rot from Mormon leaders is not 'The Word of I AM'. It is the lies from the father of lies, writ large as some Christianity lookalike posed speciously as restoration of God's Plan of Salvation.
Mormonism was founded by a liar. You can chose which liar to blame, but the following re-quoted is heresy writ large by Mormonism as gospel from someone, but not the God of the Bible:
“I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844) [This is a great lie, too great a lie for even the liar Joseph Smith to have fabricated on his own! So whom is then the founder of Mormonism? HINT: it is not I AM.]
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