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To: johngrace
I just reread. Does not make sense. Where are the offspring of the brothers would not there children be elders in the church on record equal to the early church fathers. No where is there a proper record of these children and grandchildren of their uncle Jesus.

All due respect. For crying out loud. History is silent on these nephews and nieces. It seems to me that they would have been celebrated as being so close as to an uncle Jesus. This does not really wash. How could all these offspring be lost to history.

They would have been priests and bishops(elders) according to them being married believers with even more famous offspring. A huge Holy Brood. All over on record written about.

With all due respect, only with corrupted human thinking. The kingdom of heaven that Jesus came to establish is not a monarchy in that it is inherited. It is through faith and believing.

In these passages, Jesus lays that to rest. He never denied that he had brothers and sisters. HE knew what those people meant when they names His brothers and mother and called Him the carpenter's son.

Matthew 13:53-57 When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked. "Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

He also cleared up that physical birth relation was not who His brothers and sisters and mothers were, but those who believed and did His will and that right there would counter your contention that the establishment of the church was a family affair. Just because they were related through His HUMAN side, doesn't mean it goes to follow that they were believers.

Now it's true that some of Jesus' brothers did end up believing and holding office in the early church, but they are mentioned only in passing.

1 Corinthians 9:5 Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas ?

Galatians 1:19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother.

282 posted on 10/09/2010 6:38:03 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Well put.


304 posted on 10/09/2010 8:31:29 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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