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agere_contra;
Mary the wife of Clopas is the “sister” of Mary the mother of Jesus, which makes the “brothers” actually Jesus’ cousins (or possibly even more distant relatives).

!!!WRONG!!!

What unmitigated irrational weasel wording.

There would be ABSOLUTELY NO POINT to the whole passage, if the words did not mean blood brother and blood sister in those and similar passages. Cousins et al were so plentiful that the emphasis of the verses and their context would be meaningless, absurd.

And there's this:

The James Ossuary - Evidence of Jesus' Brother?

Update - Oct 30, 2008:  Ossuary Deemed Authentic!

According to an announcement by BAR - Biblical Archeological Society - the inscription on the James Ossuary has been found to be authentic.  The IAA case that has been underway in Israel for over a year, with the intent of trying to prove that the inscription was a fake, has fallen apart.  Uncontested evidence has been produced which proves that the same 'ancient patina' which is found on the front part of the inscription 'James, son of ..." is also found in the tail end of the inscription ".. brother of Jesus".

Quoting BAR:  "In the most recent embarrassment for the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), the government’s star witness, Yuval Goren, former chairman of Tel Aviv University’s institute of archaeology, was forced to admit on cross-examination that there is original ancient patina in the word “Jesus,” the last word in the inscription that reads “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.”

Authentic, uncontested archeological evidence for
James, an Apostle of the Lord, and for his Brother -
JESUS!

from:

http://www.evidencetobelieve.net/james_ossuary.htm

How Was the James Ossuary Discovered?

The ossuary was purchased in the mid 1970's, but lay dormant in the care of its owner for several decades.  Mr. Golan, being Jewish and not familiar with the details of the Christian faith, had no idea that Jesus may have had a brother. The ossuary was purchased in the mid 1970's, but lay dormant in the care of its owner for several decades.  Mr. Golan, being Jewish and not familiar with the details of the Christian faith, had no idea that Jesus may have had a brother.  Consequently he assigned no importance to the ossuary, and it was ignored by him for many years.  It lay in his basement gathering dust until one day, in the spring of 2002, one of the world's leading experts in ancient Semitic scripts -- Andre Lemaire - was invited to view his collection.  Mr. Golan needed some help understanding some difficult to read inscriptions, and Mr. Lemaire - being a noted epigrapher - was just the person who could help decipher these.

Andre soon visited Mr. Golan in his apartment in Israel.  Mr. Golan showed him several photographs of inscriptions that he had difficulty reading -- including one of a stone ossuary inscribed with "Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua".  His eyes popped, and he immediately recognized the importance of this stone box -- if it was genuine.  The Jesus of the New Testament had never appeared in an archeological context.  If this was indeed the stone ossuary that held the bones of James, the son of Joseph and the brother of Jesus, the find would be nothing less than earth shaking! 

Mr. Lemaire remained cool, as was his habit.  "Very interesting", he said.  He asked to see the stone ossuary first hand, and soon did.  Upon inspection he reported said he "felt good about it".  He also examined the inscription very carefully and found it to be authentic in his professional opinion (see below for details, and Sources at the end of this article).

Did Jesus Have Brothers?

There has been quite a bit of contention about whether or not Jesus had brothers and/or sisters.  But the Bible is very clear that Jesus did indeed have siblings.  Consider these passages:

Notice that in both passages James is named first, indicating he may have been the oldest.

In trying to maintain the perpetual virginity of Mary, some say that the references to brothers and sisters of Jesus in the Gospels are really cousins.  But the word used in these passages is the word for "brother", not "cousin".  There is a perfectly good word for cousin (anepsois), but that word is not used in these passages.  To presume these were the cousins of Jesus is to pervert the plain meaning of the text.

A clear reading of the Gospels also reveals that the Mary's virginity is limited to the birth of Jesus, her first born.  In Matthew 1:24-25 we read: "Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son.  And he called His name Jesus."  The implication is clear from a plain reading of the text: Joseph did have sexual relations with Mary after the birth of Jesus.

It's also reasonable that Joseph and Mary would continue to have other children.  Evidence indicates they were devout Jews, and as such would be expected to obey the Jewish Law of "be fruitful and multiply". What did the family of Jesus look like?

God ---- Mary-m-Joseph
        |            |
        |            +-----------+-------------+----------+-----------+-----------+
    Jesus    James     Joseph    Simon    Jude    Salome    Mary
                            4 half-brothers                       2 half-sisters

Who was 'James, the brother of Jesus'?

There were several people with the name James who lived during the time of Jesus, and are referred to in the New Testament.  There are of course two of the apostles - James, the son of Zebedee, and James the son of Alphaeus.  But James, the brother of Jesus stands apart. He was clearly identified as the "brother of the Lord" by Paul (see Gal 1:13-19).  Josephus, the famous 1st century Jewish historian, also identifies him as "the brother of Jesus".

What else do we know about James the brother of Jesus?

Is the Inscription on the James Ossuary Authentic?  A Look at the Facts

Could Someone Have Faked The James Ossuary?

Some have argued that the inscription is a forgery.  Is this possible?  Lets consider the accusations and their viability:

Evidence Argues That The James Ossuary is Authentic

All of the evidence to date points to the conclusion that the ossuary, and the inscription, are authentic.  That this stone box once contained the bones of one of the greatest figures of the early Christian church ...

"Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua"

James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus

Sources and Further Information

1 - "The Brother of Jesus", by Hershal Shanks and  Ben Witherington III, p. 57
Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) page on James Ossuary

2 - ibid, p 27.
Royal Ontario Museum web site:
 http://www.rom.on.ca

Biblical Archeological Society page on the James Ossuary:  http://www.bib-arch.org

[PICS FROM THE ARTICLE AT THE RELATED LINK]

BW OF JAMES OSSAURY BOX LOCATION OF INSCRIPTION

INSCRIPTION ON JAMES OSSAURY BOX

233 posted on 10/08/2010 6:54:44 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Why in the name of all that's decent did you ping me into this TOILET of a thread?!

235 posted on 10/08/2010 7:13:56 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Quix
Hi Q- If I remember right I read this same thing but they are all common names Jesus is Joshua in Hebrew. All the names are repeats of ancestral relatives that go back. Like Joseph is honoring the Joseph line that goes back to Joseph with the pharoah in the old. I live in NY I have jewish friends they are named after the ancesters. This goes back to old testament days.

Thats why you have a lot of Mary names and Joseph. Mary is the translation from the hebrew Miriam. You know Mose's kin. So to have that combo of same names with more than one is always possible. All their names are repeats thru history. Everybody had similiar names. A jewish person has to honor relatives. Thats why there are so many with those names. Also if you go back to this time in history the smaller population dictates more of these names. They are closer to the original name source( person).

Just to be fair that article does not seem right. IMHO.

236 posted on 10/08/2010 7:29:26 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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