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To: johngrace
In 2 Samuel 6:23, we read that Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child "until" the day of her death.

Catholic deception at it's best...

We all know that the Hebrew word used can and does have many meanings...In Samuel 6:23 it is translated as:

2Sa 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Again, your defense turns to salt...

Apparently, you read and post the Catholic arguments without consulting with what they fail to tell you...

When we interpret any passage, we must consider what the author was trying to say. Matthew’s intent here is not to explain what happened after the birth of Christ. He is only concerned with the fact that Joseph and Mary had no relations before then. It is the virgin birth, not later siblings, that Matthew is concerned with.

God already told us about the virgin birth...NOW, God is telling us that it was not a virgin Marital relationship...God wants us to know that Mary did not remain a virgin, lest some would build statues of her and bow down before her...

4."What about Psalm 69:8? If your friend takes this Psalm to be a literal prophecy of Christ, he runs into bigger problems. Look three verses earlier, "O God, thou knowest my folly; the wrongs I have done are not hidden from thee" (emphasis added). Since Jesus did no wrong and had no follies, it seems clear we shouldn’t take this passage literally.

Then you can take none of the Psalms literally...So it was an allegory??? What does the verse then allude to, or allege to mean??? Your religion doesn't have an answer for that...

At the end of a wedding, the minister announces that the couple has become man and wife. They exchanged vows, and so they are married—without having consummated the marriage yet. When the marriage is consummated, the marriage—which was already valid—becomes indissoluble. So Joseph and Mary’s marriage was a real marriage, even if it was never consummated.

Not so...A Jewish marriage was never a marriage without the consummation...

In regard to it not being natural, the prophet Isaiah said that God’s ways are not like our ways (Is. 55:8–9). When the Second Person of the Trinity is in your wife’s womb, you can expect to have a different marriage than most folks!

Says who??? Did God say that??? Or did your religion again make that up???

198 posted on 10/08/2010 1:22:52 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Hi Friend

" Catholic deception at it's best..."

It's a belief not deception! Also notice Psalms with hidden meanings until explained later. There are double meaning words in scripture. Just say you do not get it, Or to you does not make sense.

"Catholic deception"

It's a belief.

Watch you words. I try not to flame the threads.

Think by your choice of words. Are you Paranoid? Good Grief. God Bless and may he Guide You!

200 posted on 10/08/2010 1:59:05 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Iscool

To claim Mary remained a virgin is to assume God can’t control His own Word. Apparently, when God breathed the scriptures about brothers, or Joseph “kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son”, He either wanted to confuse the issue so people wouldn’t know she remained a virgin, or he lacked the power to have His Word state the truth.

All of the passages about his brothers and sisters could have said cousins, or friends, or associates. Since it didn’t, God either wanted to confuse the issue, didn’t know what words to use, or lacked the power to have the accurate words used. OR she didn’t remain a virgin.

Frankly, the idea that a woman who is mentioned once in Acts and never again in scripture is the Queen of Heaven & wife of the Holy Spirit is just nauseating.


201 posted on 10/08/2010 2:12:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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