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To: MHGinTN
With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.

I applaude your effort but it misses the mark (imho)

A) G-d is infinite. He doesnt need a holy spirt personage to do his "work". B) G-d says is alone dozens of times. G-d says he is not a man Num 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:19, Hosea 11:9 (And yes, I know Christians say this means G-d doesnt lie, which is stating the obvious)C) Your reasoning is circular or begs the question. You are essentially shooting an arrow into a target and then painting the bullseye around it.

The singular unity of G-d could not be more clear. G-d says it over and over and over. So what do Christians do? Defy G-d and proceed to split him into 3 personages. He tells us not to. Then you do it anyway. There is NO need to do that. You are essentially saying that G-d is a deciever and or a liar. G-d tells us who he is and his final revelation at Sinai. He tells all of Israel who he is and his law. He tells us his law is forever. He tell us we can do it (Deut 30 KJV) Christians then tell us...1500 years later, G-d then tells us something completely different! You cant do the law! What? G-d said we could! Now we cant? He revealed himself as One at Sinai and before. Now He is three? We were saved by believing in G-d and serving him only. Now we have to believe in a man? a god-man? who G-d never told us about before? etc etc. You see, this is not of G-d! G-d tells clearly who he is and what we are to do. Besides, in the messianic era, the 3rd temple will be rebuilt and sin sacrifices return (Ezekiel 43/44) Why? if Jesus was the once for all sacrfice? Isaiah 2:

2And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

ANd Jeremiah 16: 19O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

The gentiles will come to Israel to learn the law! And they see their error! Israel will offer sacrfices continuously!

Jer 33:17For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

No need for Jesus. The original gospel is all you need.

188 posted on 10/08/2010 11:49:57 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
Your own chosen links reveal the spirit that guides you. At 'messiah truth' the accusation is made that Paul used deception to convert people, citing the Corinthian letter as proof where Paul tells them that to the Jew he presents himself as a Jew ... which he was!

It was not deception to be observant when with Jews, and more free when with Greeks. I am a Christian. When I taught Bible study in a Baptist Church, I abstained from all the foods that would have caused disruption to the Baptists. Being free in Christ, when I taught Bible study at an Episcopal Church, I was free to enjoy a glass of wine or mixed drink. Abstaining is a matter of respect, not deception, twister.

I am solidly convinced that Saul of Tarsus was far more knowledgeable on Judaism than you and when you try to smear Saul/Paul, you reveal the bitterness within you. Instead of kicking against the pricks, why not become free in Christ? You're too bitter to open your heart to Christ. BUT, your zeal does remind me of Saul on the way to Damascus to torment and persecute the rebels to Judaism there.

Or maybe you're more the judaisers who snuck around behind Paul and Silas and the other Apostles, trying to drag free Christians into the dos and don'ts of judaism? I see why you haunt the anti-Catholic threads. Where you can accentuate division and dissension you have a chance to gain a fellow bitter soul and keep them from the freedom in Christ!

Your effort to denigrate Jesus Christ is duly noted. You are of your father, and I'm not referring to Abraham. From this point onward, your opinions and posts are as if not even there to me. You're a twister, a deceiver, a spreader of deceit, a spirit of anti-Christ.

190 posted on 10/08/2010 12:05:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Morg, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: blasater1960; MHGinTN
I have had enjoyable and mutually enriching exchanges with Jews on othe FReepin' Forums, always on political topics; this is the first time I've encountered a Jewish poster in the Religion Forum. I was unclear about at that at first. Sorry.

I have decided not to dispute with you, because we do not share the basic assumptions necessary for constructive discussion.

Peace and, for now, goodbye.

194 posted on 10/08/2010 12:28:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Baruch atah Adonai Elohenu melech ha'olam, hamotzi lechem min ha'aretz.)
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