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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
He wasn’t a bastard, He had a father. What illicit relationship? If God did not have sex with her, where is the illicit relationship?

Joseph was not his biological father. Jesus "father" contributed DNA and chromosones outside of marriage to Mary. That by definition is an illicit relationship constituting a bastard child. Think about it. You are a married woman. Some entity approaches you and tells you to bear a child outside of your marriage. You agree? and have the holy ghost make you pregnant. You are not married to that holy ghost. So the child is by definition a bastard child. So it doesnt take actual sex for the illicit relationship. Especially in those days...a woman showing up pregnant and blaming it on a holy ghost would have been a huge scandal. G-d would never put a human being through such a thing. Nor could he since G-d cant break his own moral laws.

Furthermore, Isaiah 7 was never about a virgin birth. It was about a child being born to a young woman who by the time he reached the age of maturity, two enemy kings would be dispatched. What good would a prophecy be to king Ahaz, that takes place 700 years in the future! And if Isaiah 7 was for a virging birth, it means that there were two virgin births since the prophecy was for king Ahaz in his day. The plain meaning of the text is that Isaiah 7 only pertained to Ahaz and the "sign" wasnt a virgin birth but the age of the child. Read it!

121 posted on 10/06/2010 2:54:36 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960

Lol, okay. I can see there is no further use discussing it. Have a good day.


126 posted on 10/06/2010 5:29:45 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: blasater1960; Sir_Ed

Sir_Ed said it better than I.

“I don’t think there is any way to bridge the gulf between your belief and my belief, so...each of us, in our own way, will have to “take that up with God,” and only one belief will prevail.”
Ed
117 posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:17:32 PM by Sir_Ed


127 posted on 10/06/2010 5:32:34 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: blasater1960; christianhomeschoolmommaof3
What is a marriage? A union blessed by God. In this case, since the union was with God and Mary, it was certainly blessed by God and was in that sense a "marriage."

Mary was betrothed to Joseph, but never married in the full sense, because it was never consummated. Joseph was a good man chosen to be the head of the Holy Family and the guardian and protector of the Divine Child.

So Jesus was not a bastard or illegitimate in the eyes of God. Which is the only perspective that matters.

140 posted on 10/07/2010 7:15:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do you mean now?" ---Yogi Berra, when asked "What time is it?" ---)
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