Posted on 10/06/2010 7:56:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Overall, Catholics liked the movie "The Nativity" but had several problems with it. For one thing they changed Scripture during the closing of the movie. On the screen they flashed the Bible passage from Luke 1:46-54. But they left out the words "for me" from middle of the sentence "The Lord has done great things for me, and Holy is his name." I don't think they should have taken that out of the Word of God, without using any elypses to show they skipped it. Another issue with the movie is they showed Mary screaming and pushing in pain as she gave birth to Jesus.
The Early Church Fathers are almost unanimous in the assertion that the birth was painless and had no loss of Mary's virginal integrity during the birth. In other words, her Hymen didn't break. St. Augustine said "Jesus passed through the womb of Mary as a ray of sun passes through glass." Pope Martin in 649 AD defined the doctrine that Mary:
To claim Mary remained a virgin is to assume God can’t control His own Word. Apparently, when God breathed the scriptures about brothers, or Joseph “kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son”, He either wanted to confuse the issue so people wouldn’t know she remained a virgin, or he lacked the power to have His Word state the truth.
All of the passages about his brothers and sisters could have said cousins, or friends, or associates. Since it didn’t, God either wanted to confuse the issue, didn’t know what words to use, or lacked the power to have the accurate words used. OR she didn’t remain a virgin.
Frankly, the idea that a woman who is mentioned once in Acts and never again in scripture is the Queen of Heaven & wife of the Holy Spirit is just nauseating.
I have always wondered why all the super-humanshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
attributes assigned to a created human being ?Miriam states that she is a sinner requiring a savior. (Luke 1:47)
Why magical titles like "mother of god" ?
There do not seem to be any reason for these.
Their absence do not detract nor diminish our relationship with YHvH.
Okie doke then. Each person has to decide accordingly. I always have enjoyed my dialogues with Christians and have had some really interesting ones. For the record, I dont say anything with malice and such but recognize that my bluntness can be percieved that way, until people get to know me anyway. I have a lot of Christian FReepers friends that I have had a polemical discussion with. So, as you say, shalom and l'hitraot!
OK! I’ll see ya on other threads.
Perhaps your Christian friends have not seen you toss out the slur that ‘Jesus is not necessary’. You might as well spit on His crucifixion as well because you’re serving the spirit of anti-Christ which your Christian friends ought to be leary of. I am not your friend. I will call it like you post it. You will not hide behind selected Old Testament scriptures while spitting on Paul who was a Pharisee among Pharisees and Jesus The Christ and have me call you friend or say go in peace. You are working for the enemy of Christ.
Interesting - witnessing by spitting in someone’s face. By definition, ALL non-Christians think Christ is not needed. That is what makes them non-Christian.
Hate them to Christ! A unique witnessing strategy. Maybe you could change your tag line to read “I’m bitter and angry because of Jesus!” < / sarcasm >
The brothers were not believers at the time of Jesus’ death. In fact, they were bitterly opposed to Jesus, which may be somewhat understandable...I probably wouldn’t like a perfect brother either. Giving Mary to John’s care makes sense if the spiritual is more important than physical - which is obviously IAW the teaching of Jesus.
That is the entire scripture...You guys seem to think you can read the bible like it's a novel and you have it all figured out...There are hidden things in the scripture that can only be revealed with other scripture...Scripture with scripture...
There are double meaning words in scripture. Just say you do not get it, Or to you does not make sense.
I would if it had been written by you but as we can see, it is more cut and paste of your religion's talking points...Your religion has written millions of words trying to make Mary into something she is not...
There is no misunderstanding...Your religion deletes scripture, adds words to scripture, changes words in scripture to fit it's invented religion...
Sorry I hurt your feelings but I am only interested in the truth of God's word, especially when it goes out into the world to be read by people searching for God and salvation...
If you had actually read the Bible, you would not, perhaps, make such a foolish statement as "Frankly, the idea that a woman who is mentioned once in Acts and never again in scripture ..." When you actually know something about the New Testament perhaps, PERHAPS, you can regain some credibility. You remain the fraud you show on other threads pretending on other topics.
Exactly...
BTW, fraud, I had no intention of witnessing to a servant of the most low. I’ll leave paling with such to the likes of you, fraud.
Whether Mary the Mother of Jesus is the ‘Queen of Heaven’ or ‘wfie of the Holy Spirit is not my debate. BUT to say she only shows up once in Acts is to ignore all the other references to the Mother of Jesus. And the biological facts coming to light regarding the relationship between a gestating child and the Mother are settling on the side of Mary’s very unique place in Human History ... for those who believe Jesus is Lord and that God placed Jesus in Mary’s womb as an already embryonic being rather than through union of gametes. But I wouldn’t want to get over your head.
The final mention of Mary is in Acts 1:14. She then disappears.
Where are you getting that? I havent posted anything angry or bitter at all. So unless you want to dialogue verse by verse, you can just leave me alone, thanks. I am a happy FReeper who enjoys a good dialogue or polemic, if you will. If you guys arent up for it....fine....dont...but I see no cause for going ad hominem for no reason...
So...you don’t believe in the Great Commission? I’m glad the folks who witnessed to me didn’t wait until I was a servant of Christ before they told me about Jesus...
I see why these Catholic v the rest of the world threads are avoided by so many. Irrational crap seems to be the fluid of record int he spittle from frauds like you. Did you know that Mary likely carried blood cells and derivatives of same in her body for the rest of her life, after carrying The Christ in her body for nearly forty weeks? Probably not. Do you actually believe Jesus is The Christ, or is that another pretend point around which you inveigle at FR?
You were the second person listed in the “TO” section. There isn’t a cc section, so that is the only way to cc someone who might be interested.
I believe in opposing the spirit of anti-Christ. But your effort to twist what I wrote into some strawman you can flog is duly noted, fraud.
You did not hurt my feelings. When you write "Catholic deception "
Your not suggesting. Your fully accusing an out right deception from me. Like malice, deceit.
That's Hogwash.
Thats why a belief is pointed out.
That's all.
“Of course you denigrate the other references in the four Gospels in your little exercise meant to spit at her and the Catholic Chruch.”
I think everyone on this thread, and certainly Iscool, is well familiar with the fact that Mary is mentioned in the Gospels. Until I did some study, I didn’t realize that her last mention is in Acts.
If she were all the things taught by the Catholic Church, one would expect some mention of her in Acts, the writings of Paul or Peter or John...but nope. Acts 1 is the last time.
I have no doubt that Jesus is the Christ. I do suspect someone so full of vitriol needs to meet Him. Not an earthly organization, but Jesus. It is the Living Christ we need to concern ourselves, not with the state of Mary’s vagina.
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