Lds Conference Talk October 1984-By Ronald E. Poelman-Mormon (OPEN)

lds-mormon.com ^ | October, 1984 | Ronald E. Poelman

[greyfoxx39]

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[greyfoxx39]

Ping

[greyfoxx39]

In the October 1984 general conference of the LDS Church, Poelman delivered a sermon entitled "The Gospel and the Church". Controversy ensued when the version of his sermon that was published in the November 1984 Ensign magazine differed from the sermon Poelman had delivered orally.[5] Further, the videotape copies of general conference that were included in church archives and distributed throughout the church contained Poelman delivering the revised version of his sermon. A "cough track" was included in the retaping to make it appear that the revised sermon was delivered in front of an audience.[6]

One commentator has criticised the changes to the sermon as a dramatic shift in the meaning of Poelman's address:

"The rewriting and refilming of Elder Ronald Poelman's October 1984 Conference address, originally a rare and inspiring defense of free agency, so that it became yet another cry for obedience. His text was not edited — his ideas were turned inside out."[7]

Poelman was not invited to speak in general conference again for four and a half years.[6]

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[CommerceComet]

What say you Mormon defenders? You’re always quick to accuse the Anti-Mormons of distortion. Can I expect posts of outrage?

[greyfoxx39]

What say you Mormon defenders? You’re always quick to accuse the Anti-Mormons of distortion. Can I expect posts of outrage?

The defenders are either at conference where the KoolAid is flowing or trying to ignore this post, LOL....

[restornu]

Oh please if you have nothing else but to drag something that has been posted years ag on FR and answered.

geez still murmuring dear one....

[greyfoxx39]

If it was posted, and answered years ago, it shouldn’t be difficult to post the link, right?

[ejonesie22]

Of course we know what “answered” means coming from LDS apologist...

“What is the capital of Norway?”

“Belgium!”

“Are you sure, is that your final answer?”

“Yes, it is correct, I have answered your question, do not keep asking me, it is already answered!”

“But is is wrong, the capital is Oslo!”

“That is your opinion, and your are distorting my response to your own ends...”

“Um, ok...”

[greyfoxx39]

From what I could gather, the actual video may have just recently been uncovered. Therefore, the “answer” according to SOP could be proven wrong now. It would be hard to claim the whole thing was falsified with the video and the fake transcript now available.

[ejonesie22]

Won’t stop them from doing it anyway...

[greyfoxx39]

Yeah, it will be fun....

[Elsie]

When SOME OF THE LEADERS SPEAK, the thinking has been done; but the REST have to be EDITTED for correctness before publication.

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"Well, brethren and sisters, try and be Saints. I will try; I have tried many years to live according to the law which the Lord reveals unto me. I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom, as I know the road to my office. It is just as plain and easy. The Lord is in our midst. He teaches the people continually. I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually. In the days of Joseph, revelation was given and written, and the people were driven from city to city and place to place, until we were led into these mountains. Let this [discourse] go to the people with "Thus saith the Lord," and if they do not obey it, you will see the chastening hand of the Lord upon them. But if they are plead with, and led along like children, we may come to understand the will of the Lord and He may preserve us as we desire."

 

Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, Page 95)

[Elsie]

I vote for #2.

—MormonDude(I couldn’t afford the trip this year.)

[Elsie]

Oh please if you have nothing else but to drag something that has been posted years ag on FR and answered.

"Little Jimmy; were you SLEEPING in class again?"

"NO, Maam."

"Then tell us; what is 2+2?"

"It is five; as we all know; Maam."

[Elsie]

FIVE! Because Billy whispered the answer to me!

[ejonesie22]

No, because Billy appeareth unto me as an angel of light...

He's been doing that ever since his daddy got him that really cool flashlight...

[Elsie]

bttt

[CommerceComet]

Oh please if you have nothing else but to drag something that has been posted years ag on FR and answered. geez still murmuring dear one....

Thanks for yet another vacuous non-answer. Does this apparent falsification of the record bother you at all?

[restornu]

NO

[CommerceComet]

I don’t recall the earlier discussion of this topic but let me guess about the explanation, it was just a “typesetting error”, right? Gullible people have bought that argument before on a much more foundational problem for Mormonism.