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To: baldisbeautiful

You start with the personal slight, and go forward with defense of the Church on off topic topics.

Then you claim a Cardinal “does not speak for the church”. Good one.

Evidently your position is - “When they speak what I want to hear - they are speaking for the church. When they speak nonsense, they aren’t speaking for the church”. Nice filter.

Do you have the guts to summarize Catholic Church support for Obama? Were they - on average - pro or con? Illegal immigration?

Catholics deserve better leadership.


34 posted on 10/01/2010 9:52:54 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Catholics deserve better leadership.

Finally, you got something right. Congratulations.

40 posted on 10/01/2010 10:08:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Then you claim a Cardinal “does not speak for the church”. Good one.

It is a good one. He speaks for his diocese -- while he exhibits some of the vulnerabilities of the way people are put into the episcopate in the Catholic Church.

And, while it CAN get murky, it is no less reasonable to say a hospital is in favor of disease because one of the chief physicians gets cancer that it is to say the official teaching of the Church is thus and such because a Cardinal makes a ferociously awful judgment on ecology and economics.

And there's a little trap concealed in the criticism of pro-abortion and pro Obama Catholics. If the Church started making credal standards of these issues -- if, for example, one could not serve on a parish committee without signing a kind of oath stating opposition to abortion or progressivism, the very same people who climb all over us for pinko Catholics would be nattering about Inquisitions.

There are no particular guts involved in saying that a lot of Catholics are dopes and confused, and that this includes clergy. A few miles from my parish the pastor said to a class at the Catholic school that he didn't see how anyone could be a Catholic and serve in the armed forces!

So the next week, one of our Dominicans, who was a Navy chaplain for 20 years and retired with the rank of commander, wore his uniform when he went up to the school on some business or other! Gotta love it.

43 posted on 10/01/2010 10:24:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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