Hi ampu,
I don’t think any Latter-day Saint is able to prove the truthfulness of our claims in the way you are asking for.
The conclusive proof that I have regarding my faith has not come from being persuaded by rational argument. While reason and logic can, and does help persuade some people, the real convincing comes through the manifestations of the Spirit of God, which is something between the individual and God himself.
Regards,
Normandy
Normandy,
“I don’t think any Latter-day Saint is able to prove
the truthfulness of our claims in the way you are
asking for.”
... You are correct.
No mormonite can possibly provide any rationale basis for
a single mormon claim. Not one. Nor any evidence for a
single claim. None. Nor any facts that support a single
mormon claim. None.
Mormonism is an irrational belief, supported only by
feelings. Even those “feelings” cannot be verified.
You, for instance, couldn’t provide an explanation of
how you could know that your feelings were not from
a demon or familiar spirit. For all you know, the
demon lies and tells you he is God. But, alas, there
is no way for you to know...
... except that you have feelings! And that is the bottom
line of mormonism.
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“The conclusive proof that I have regarding my faith
has not come from being persuaded by rational argument.”
... I love how you are describing your unverifiable feelings
as “conclusive proof” Normandy. You have admitted you have
no way to know the truthfulness of your feelings except
that you have feelings that your feelings are right!
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“While reason and logic can, and does help persuade
some people, the real convincing comes through the
manifestations of the Spirit of God, which is something
between the individual and God himself.”
The bottom line of all cultic belief is identical -
unverifiable feelings that are either imaginary or
demonic in origin.
These feelings, as you describe, grant you the ability
to ignore the facts, evidence and logical arguments that
prove that mormonism is totally fake.
Best,
ampu
Norm -
What has already been related in this regard is that your 'proof' is subjective and that in itself has no greater validity than the testimony of a moslem, buddist, hindu or witch for that matter.
For example, which version of the bom is 'true'? - the 1830? The printer’s manuscript? The 1927 version? The 1987 version? The latest version? If we consider just two of these many Book of Mormons—say the 1927 edition and the current edition—and the Mormons today received the same message about the reliability of the Book of Mormon as the 1927 Mormons, then we have a problem. Somebody is not telling the truth. The same goes for Doctrines and covenants norm - Were the 1835 Mormons wrong about their testimonies or are current Mormons wrong? The Holy Ghost cannot lie, after all.
Norm, the bible tells us to not rely ONLY upon our feelings/subjective experiences for truth. There can't be competing 'truth'.