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To: annalex; bkaycee
But having spun all these you still cannot overturn the simlpe scriptural fact: not a single verse says that we are saved by faith alone; and James 2:17ff says plainly that we are not saved by faith alone. You do not have faith in the scripture, through whcih Christ is speaking to you. You instead have faith in the Protestant traditions of bamboozling the ignorant about what the Gospel really says.

Interesting word you choose: bamboozling: 1. to deceive or get the better of (someone) by trickery, flattery, or the like; humbug; hoodwink (often fol. by into ): They bamboozled us into joining the club.
2. to perplex; mystify.
3. to practice trickery, deception, cozenage, or the like.

Tell me, what would be the motive for us "Protestants" to trick people from what the Gospel says? Who benefits from preaching the gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ alone (which IS the good news, BTW)? Who benefits from preaching salvation can only come as a result of exclusive attendance, adherence and obedience to only one organization and condemnation for anyone who does not? Interesting choice of words indeed!

Tell you what, I'll stick with what Scripture - God's own revealed words - tells me is the truth and you can choose to follow what fallible men think it is. But answer this one question: Who is glorified when salvation is based upon man's good deeds?

653 posted on 09/25/2010 2:00:10 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
Tell me, what would be the motive for us "Protestants" to trick people from what the Gospel says?

Draft dodgers! There's the motive. People against the Vietnam war, who thought America was on the wrong path, who didn't want to do their fair share, who thought too much was being demanded of them... so they left and tried to convince everyone they were right for doing so.

I've looked at Catholicism/Protestantism as Jews/Samaritans, but I think there's an analogy in our own country as well. The president is nuts, many of us can barely bring ourselves to even refer to the man who holds the office as president, the congress is nuts, the Supreme Court is nuts, the states are nuts... the country is in a shambles. Do we go off and start a "pure US" somewhere else anointing ourselves President/Speaker/Chief Justice?

Anyhow, one motive of people who schism is to legitimize their own position by convincing others. In some social situations it's ok to do that.

654 posted on 09/25/2010 3:15:27 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: boatbums; bkaycee
what would be the motive for us "Protestants" to trick people from what the Gospel says?

Luther had the motive to prevail with his theological fantasy of "faith alone" and "scripture alone". Since he could not do so in honest debate with Card. St. Cajetan, he proceeded to teach the semiliterate German public. A good example is how he attempted to insert "faith alone" in this German translation of Romans 3:28.

Since then, the foundational lies of the Reformation enabled countless Protestant pastors to teach whatever pleases them to teach without being held accountable to anyone. The Reformation empowered the figure of a pastor as a small businessman, who makes a living by teaching what the flock wants to hear.

666 posted on 09/26/2010 3:47:22 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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