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Catholics and the Next America
First Things ^ | 9/17/2010 | Charles J Chaput

Posted on 09/18/2010 8:26:32 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: Quix

21 is a good post. The Holy Spirit is not limited to nor housed by denominations or establishments. He has demonstrated that with Catholics, Lutherans, and yes, Baptists.

I’m Southern Baptist, but some of the most lifeless congregations I’ve seen were in the SBC...although they had severe competition for the title of dead!

“6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

To the extent America was filled with a people who feared God, it prospered. But can anyone deny we are not in any sense a God-fearing nation now? Or that the Judge of Sodom and Gomorrah will likewise judge America, if there is no revival?


61 posted on 09/20/2010 5:31:00 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers

THX FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. I GREATLY AGREE:


21 is a good post. The Holy Spirit is not limited to nor housed by denominations or establishments. He has demonstrated that with Catholics, Lutherans, and yes, Baptists.

I’m Southern Baptist, but some of the most lifeless congregations I’ve seen were in the SBC...although they had severe competition for the title of dead!

“6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

To the extent America was filled with a people who feared God, it prospered. But can anyone deny we are not in any sense a God-fearing nation now? Or that the Judge of Sodom and Gomorrah will likewise judge America, if there is no revival?


62 posted on 09/20/2010 5:33:40 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: RnMomof7; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Markos33; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; wmfights; Forest Keeper

That is correct, always.

The state, however, often imposed harsh punishments for heresy, which it equated to treason. Plus, torture was considered a valid method of interrogation.


63 posted on 09/20/2010 6:11:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Markos33; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; wmfights; Forest Keeper; TSgt

Well, if something does not accord with the doctrine that that action itself is a heresy. No one defends that.


64 posted on 09/20/2010 6:13:04 PM PDT by annalex
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To: metmom
Let us know when that really happens

I hope, soon. On the other hand, the really egregious abuse such as pederasty happened decades ago; entry into priesthood as already barred for homosexuals and the wannabe priestesses running around are only a minor nuisance. The worst excesses of post-Vatican II madness are also chiefly in the past.

do you deny the Inquisitions sanctioned by your own popes?

Why would I deny it? I am proud of it. Christ purifies His Church (Eph 5:26-27)

65 posted on 09/20/2010 6:19:02 PM PDT by annalex
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To: metmom; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Markos33; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; wmfights; Forest Keeper; TSgt; ...
Here's another highlight of the Papacy:

THE CADAVER SYNOD: STRANGEST TRIAL IN HISTORY


66 posted on 09/20/2010 7:22:31 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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67 posted on 09/20/2010 7:28:29 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Gamecock
Here's another highlight of the Papacy:

The Christlikeness just shines right through, doesn't it?

68 posted on 09/20/2010 8:05:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gamecock; metmom; markomalley; vladimir998

It doesn’t seem any stranger than the Calvinists’ trial of David Joris. They dug up his corpse, put it on trial for heresy, then burned his corpse at the stake as punishment. How many times have you brought up this trial by the Calvinists vs. the trial by the Catholics?


69 posted on 09/20/2010 8:13:37 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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I wonder where they got that idea from....

Ironic, isn’t it. Calvinists are criticized and condemned for not being more like Catholics and when they are, they’re criticized and condemned for that as well.

Ya just can’t win for losing.....


70 posted on 09/20/2010 8:16:43 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Al Hitan
It doesn’t seem any stranger than the Calvinists’ trial of David Joris. They dug up his corpse, put it on trial for heresy, then burned his corpse at the stake as punishment.

Sure it does. That poor pope's corpse was mannhandled well beyond just one trial. They couldn't leave the poor guy alone. At least that burning at the stake put an end to it for good instead of dragging his corpse all over creation every time there was a change in leadership in Calvinism.

71 posted on 09/20/2010 8:20:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I wonder why the Calvinists have the habit of criticizing the Catholics for doing something, but when Calvinists do it they blame it on the Catholics. The agenda of bigotry is obvious.


72 posted on 09/20/2010 8:30:53 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: metmom
They couldn't leave the poor guy alone.

Like the Calvinists left David Joris alone. Hypocrites.

73 posted on 09/20/2010 8:36:25 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Cronos; Natural Law; Judith Anne; vladimir998; Coleus; MarkBsnr; metmom
I thought you might be interested in this response to the Catholic trial and then this response to the Calvinist trial.

This makes the agenda at work here obvious.

74 posted on 09/20/2010 8:47:05 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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every time there was a change in leadership in Calvinism.

That's a laughable statement. There is not a "leader" in Calvinism, because Calvinism is a fractured mess with new versions and denominations popping up all the time then quickly dying out.

75 posted on 09/20/2010 8:55:18 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

It’s not the first time that they have made the agenda at work here so obvious.


76 posted on 09/20/2010 9:03:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Gamecock

A moldy, but a goodie.


77 posted on 09/20/2010 9:13:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex; RnMomof7; metmom
The state, however, often imposed harsh punishments for heresy, which it equated to treason. Plus, torture was considered a valid method of interrogation.

"The state" did not conduct the many and varied Inquisitions, such as the Roman Inquisition and the Medieval Inquisition.

The papacy in Rome did.

Even the Spanish Inquisition, while supposedly under control of the Roman Catholic monarchs, was instituted to maintain Roman Catholic control of those conquered.

And you say you want to introduce America to these Inquisitions.

No wonder the RCC is fading in this country.

78 posted on 09/20/2010 9:41:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
Newsflash for the typical clueless Catholic. The RCC DID change that back when it horrifically tortured people to death in the name of Christ.

There is a HUGE difference between what the Catholic church states as *official church doctrine* and what it in all actuality practices.

The RCC hides behind that claim of *official church doctrine* every time someone shines the light of truth on its despicable practices. That does not exempt the RCC from the responsibility of its barbaric past.

AMEN! Barbaric. It's pathetic that some Roman Catholic apologists on FR long for the rack's return.

79 posted on 09/20/2010 9:47:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"This code was created by Will H. Hays, a Presbyterian."

For us to believe that all Presbyterians are of like mind you will have to explain why there were so many different types, denominations, varieties and schisms. If you can manage that you can then tell us why all Catholics are of like mind.

80 posted on 09/20/2010 9:48:23 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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