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To: blasater1960; pastorbillrandles
G-d does not give Abraham the gospel or tell him about Jesus, that is just eisegsis.

The entire OT is about Jesus..He is there in types and shadows and holidays .He is in the temple...The OT was a revelation about the Savior

The scriptures do not say Abraham was saved by obedience..for he was disobedient.. The scriptures say Abraham was chosen by God to be the ancestral father of HIS people.God spoke to Abraham ...

Scripture tells us that the “Angel of the LORD”(which is always considered a Christology ) appeared to Abraham and spoke with him face-to-face...So Abraham Knew and talked to Christ.

In Exodus He reveals Himself in a burning bush saying that He is “I AM.”.. When told that it was Jesus of Nazareth, He said that “I AM.”

Abraham Knew Christ and believed Him and that is why his name is in the parade of faith and NOT works

61 posted on 09/05/2010 2:15:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
The entire OT is about Jesus..

That is something you can't support by scripture. You can ignore principles of hermeneutics and eisegetically CREATE that result but Jesus is not there, not at all.

The scriptures do not say Abraham was saved by obedience..for he was disobedient..

You could not be more wrong. Genesis 26 says:

4 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring [a] all nations on earth will be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws." 6 So Isaac stayed in Gerar.

G-d was pleased with Abraham. And that is why he made His covenant with Abraham.

Scripture tells us that the “Angel of the LORD”(which is always considered a Christology ) appeared to Abraham and spoke with him face-to-face...So Abraham Knew and talked to Christ.

That is an example of eisgesis. So cant just say an angel is Jesus, it has to be backed up by scripture. G-d revealed Himself to all the Patriarcs as HaShem (G-d) and no other. If G-d would have had a shared triune identity, he would have CLEARLY said so. But he didnt. The final opportunity for that revelation was at Sinai when the Torah was given. And G-d made it clear he was ALONE. No other...no other Rock...No other Savior. So that is it. It is impossible to then say 1500 years later....There is another (Jesus)! You cant do the law...even though I told you could (Dt 30) and now you need to believe in Jesus....who is really me! A god-man who did the law perfect! (Even though I never expected you to do that) So I did it in the flesh for you! (cheating) And even though I told you not to perform human sacrifice (Deut 12:30-31), I am going to sacrifice my human son! And even though I told you you are responsible for your own sin (Ezek 18)....your not! He will do it for you!

So many things G-ds forbids...Jesus does..G-d forbids unkosher slaughter for a sacrifice, Jesus dies by suffocating not having his throat slit. Jesus dies outside the city, the Sin sacrifice is killed at the alter. The Sin sacrifice has it's blood sprinkled on the alter. Jesus blood wasnt sprinkled on the alter. The sin sacrifce had its entrails burned...Jesus didnt. And on and on it goes.

Christians want Jesus to be something he can not be, nor did G-d ever intend. The Messiah is just a man not a god-man. Animals are sacrifices not men. We are responsible for our own sin, not another human being.

66 posted on 09/05/2010 6:06:55 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah is attainable past, present and forever.)
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