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To: pastorbillrandles; xzins; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl
“Abraham believed God and it was accounted to Him for Righteousness.”(Genesis 15:6)

I don't want to put too fine a point on this but
at the time of Genesis 15:6 Abraham's NAME
was Abram not Abraham !

YHvH did not breath the breath of Elohim
(Holy Spirit) into him until Genesis 17:5.

Gen 17:5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram,
But your name shall be Abraham;
For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.
Unless you consider Eliezer of Damascus
as a type of the Holy Spirit.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
52 posted on 09/10/2010 8:09:34 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; pastorbillrandles; xzins; P-Marlowe
I don't want to put too fine a point on this but at the time of Genesis 15:6 Abraham's NAME was Abram not Abraham !

YHvH did not breath the breath of Elohim (Holy Spirit) into him until Genesis 17:5.

Gen 17:5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.

Interestingly, both Abraham and Peter were "first called" and their names were both changed and they were both called "rock" which is a specially published Name of God in the Song of Moses.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. – Matt 16:17-18

Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock [whence] ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit [whence] ye are digged. Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah [that] bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him. – Isaiah 51:1-2

Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. – Deu 32:1-4

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. – 1 Cor 10:1-4

Also, both the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) and the Song of the Lamb are sung together in heaven:

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for [thou] only [art] holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. – Rev 15:2-4

God's Name is I AM.

53 posted on 09/10/2010 8:22:23 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Good point Uri, i was coming from the standpoint of Romans 4 - but your point is well taken


56 posted on 09/10/2010 8:55:08 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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