You don’t know what you are talking about-
“Easy way to make a living, tell people what they want to hear, “you are saved”. Nice slogans, that’s about it, BUT not the truth.”
Alright, I’ll bite. What is the truth that you speak of?
Welcome to FR, verdugo.
**Easy way to make a living, tell people what they want to hear, “you are saved”.**
That’s a legitimate point that at times can be doctrinally debatable. And, Romans is an epistle that was written to people that were already born again, as were all the epistles (’called to be saints’ Rom. 1:7).
**Nice slogans, that’s about it, BUT not the truth.**
Here’s the truth:
We live in physical bodies, and MUST respond to God’s call with physical effort.
Our own works, which also are physical; giving friendship, material items, living peacably, etc. can be done by anyone, even atheistic people. Those things cannot save the soul.
But when God calls on one’s soul for faithfulness, physical action has to be involved.
“Abraham believed God...” is used as though Abraham just sat there believing in his mind of the great God. Well, Abraham had to move when God called him to serve; and the move was approx. 600 miles without U-haul or Ryder. No trains, planes, or buses.
A good place to see the physical response to God’s call represented in scripture is ‘the heroes of faith chapter’: Hebrews 11, where a list of some of the better known faithful are mentioned:
By faith:
Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice....
Enoch....pleased God. (Genesis says he ‘walked with God’; probably sacrifices and Godly living)
Noah...moved with fear, prepared an ark (a staggering task, to say the least) to the saving of his house.....
Abraham, when he was called...,obeyed; and went out....
Sara herself received strength...delivered a child...(you gotta hand it to her, being 90, and realizing that sex is finally going to result in carrying and delivering a child. Probably kinda scary.)
This is the common thread: they had to act on the Lord’s commands.
When God called, they offered sacrifices, moved, built, prayed, etc. or they would not have been called faithful. Had all the afore mentioned witnesses told God to ask someone else to obey those particular commands, but still said, “Thanks but no thanks, nevertheless Lord, I still believe in you.”, they would have been found disobedient by God, obviously.
God has laid down his ordinances through the ages. Even Jesus was commanding obedience to the Law of Moses (until he died as the perfect sacrifice), telling, for example, the healed leper to go show himself to the priest, and offer for his cleansing the things commanded by Moses.
After Jesus ascended to heaven, his apostles, following his commands, told the lost, enquiring souls to “repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the NAME of JESUS Christ for the REMISSION of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.’ Acts 2:38
Perhaps yourself and/or others may say obeying Acts 2:38 is not necessary to believing in the Lord. Is the Lord and his word able to be separated and believed separately at one’s own disgression? I don’t think so.
regards,
Z
Verdugo is an Aug 13 newbie attacking others on the religion forum. Great volume of posts in just one month
Troll or retread?