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Man accused of killing church leader was former member of LDS church, felt wronged, brother says
August 30, 2010 | me

Posted on 08/30/2010 11:11:27 AM PDT by colorcountry

I can't post the article due to copywrite. But here is the link.

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20100830/NEWS01/100830004/Man+accused+of+killing+church+leader+was+former+member+of+LDS+church++felt+wronged++brother+says


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To: Paragon Defender

Apology accepted!


41 posted on 08/30/2010 3:40:29 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Godzilla
Yup, nothing like canceling out your own argument. In the same post no less...

Fish in barrel part 235...

42 posted on 08/30/2010 3:48:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: lady lawyer
Name the usual suspects.

I'd be interested in them....

43 posted on 08/30/2010 5:08:52 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: colorcountry; Old Mountain man
You know I miss OMM....

His...gentle and kind way was...so different..from the norm.

44 posted on 08/30/2010 5:13:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: colorcountry

Apology accepted!


Good deal. And a special thanks for you pinging the “gang” and proving my point for me. You rock.


45 posted on 08/30/2010 6:19:20 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: ejonesie22

Of course the fact that it may have just been a ping to information as is common of FR is over looked..


lol yeah... right. too funny


46 posted on 08/30/2010 6:37:57 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: lady lawyer
Waiting for the usual suspects.........

I expect to wait...a long time.

47 posted on 08/30/2010 7:41:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange
His...gentle and kind way was...so different..from the norm.

He (OMM) did have a fixation/obsession with Billy Graham didn't he?

48 posted on 08/30/2010 7:54:36 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: Paragon Defender
So PD...what exactly do you defend?

LDS, Inc? And it's billions of dollars? Ranches, Farm's, mall's, hotel's, radio station's, bank's, newspaper's, etc...

Or "the Church" and it's main "prophets" J. Smith, and B. Young?

Want to have a debate? I really don't mind...either would be good.

I await your reply.

49 posted on 08/30/2010 7:56:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Paragon Defender
Wait I thought you just apologized for having this very kneejerk reaction?

And you wonder why it is so hard to take you seriously. You cant even keep your own story straight...

50 posted on 08/30/2010 8:12:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

Wait I thought you just apologized for having this very kneejerk reaction?

And you wonder why it is so hard to take you seriously. You cant even keep your own story straight...


I apologized for falsely accusing him. But then he went ahead and proved why it was so understandable that I jumped to my conclusion.

My story is very straight.


51 posted on 08/30/2010 8:16:29 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

52 posted on 08/30/2010 8:18:36 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Osage Orange

So PD...what exactly do you defend?

LDS, Inc? And it’s billions of dollars? Ranches, Farm’s, mall’s, hotel’s, radio station’s, bank’s, newspaper’s, etc...

Or “the Church” and it’s main “prophets” J. Smith, and B. Young?

Want to have a debate? I really don’t mind...either would be good.

I await your reply.


lol ok I guess I’ll explain it again. My name is from the game City of Heroes.

By and large I don’t debate with anti-Mormon(ism) propagandists. I was once one myself and I know that it is pointless. I try to simply point others to more sources of information that they can also use to help them learn the truth. Of course there is always the chance that one of the “gang” might stop and think as well although it is unlikely. Once you get good and programmed, especially with a little arsenal of propaganda to rinse and repeat, it’s hard to see the light. I was very fortunate.

So I suppose I do defend the true Church of Jesus Christ in a way. By helping folks to see that there’s more to the story than these folks on here portray.


53 posted on 08/30/2010 8:28:12 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Religion Moderator

Do not make this thread “about” individual Freepers. That is also a form of “making it personal.”

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


ok sorry I’ll try to do better. I felt I had to explain the reasoning behind my reaction and illustrate why I had it. Which I think happened.

No individual freeper stuff. Got it.


54 posted on 08/30/2010 8:31:35 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: colorcountry

Go ahead, try to deny you’re obsessed with posting ANYTHING you perceive is negative about the Mormon Church. You have literally proven true the old adage about former Mormons: “They can leave the Church, but they can’t leave it alone.”

I have yet to see a single post you’ve made that wasn’t critical of the LDS Church. Unless I missed the one about the weather...

And actually, I wasn’t posting to you, but another post observing the same thing.


55 posted on 08/30/2010 8:51:22 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Paragon Defender
Oh ok...

Another “I didn't mean what I said, but I am saying what I meant” moments...

Makes perfect sense...

Some where in south Nephi...

56 posted on 08/30/2010 9:41:41 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Auntie Dem
But can you prove what he posts in inaccurate...

It is fascinating how the LDS and their rather strange cohort of allies can esily attack a poster personally but never, save the odd moment of hyperbole in heated moments, argue against the substance of the post.

This has proven just today to be universal in nature here.

57 posted on 08/30/2010 9:45:41 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

Another “I didn’t mean what I said, but I am saying what I meant” moments...


Not at all. I can’t explain it any plainer. I am not surprised that the anti gang can’t figure it out. It happens when a group wears blinders.

I’ll try one last time. I was wrong in my assumption that the title was authored by the original poster. I made an understandable error based on my experience with the anti-LDS gang’s almost daily assault on the LDS faith. When the ping was made out to the rest of the anti gang that pretty much illustrated the intention which was to bring them in to do some more bashing. If you still don’t understand then I guess that will just have to be the way of it. I am dropping it now because of the RM pointing out that it was getting personal. Thanks much.


58 posted on 08/31/2010 6:27:03 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

Keep digging.

Stop when you hit oil water or magma...


59 posted on 08/31/2010 6:48:11 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Paragon Defender; ejonesie22; Godzilla; Religion Moderator

If you could see who I pinged, you wouldn’t be making the assumption that I pinged the Inman list. Osage Orange already told you he didn’t get a ping.

Paragon, you are not a mind reader. I have friends here on FR. Some of them were following this story. I simply pinged some of them that I thought might be interested in knowing what the investigation of the murder turned up.

It hardly helps my supposed ‘case’ that this murderer was an ex-mormon. It opens me up, as an ex-mormon, to supposition that I could do the same. In fact it was stated as such by one of your ‘group’ here on this very thread.

Now move along. Once again, this thread isn’t really about me, nor my motivation in posting it. I live in Utah, I was once a Mormon, I am inundated with Mormonism and ex-mormonism most days of my life - just as you are. I have every right to have an opinion or to voice an explanation as you do. On the FreeRepublic Religion forum you are expressly forbidden to make a thread about me. In fact you’ve been warned by the religion moderator.

I posted this article without comment except to say I am praying for those involved. Really Paragon, move on.


60 posted on 08/31/2010 7:12:57 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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