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To: Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; ...
Great Scriptural rebuttal to Rome's paganism regarding Mary.

Metmom wrote:
So again, the question arises.....WHY is it so important that Mary would have been perpetually a virgin? Once she delivered Jesus, the prophecy was fulfilled, that a virgin would conceive and bear a son. After that, there was no necessity for her to remain a virgin.

Dr. E's response:
Apparently Rome believes that in order to get people to believe in magic, they have to create not only magicians, but also their winsome assistants.

I'm confused, what is it that you are dismissing as pagan and magic?

Is it:
A. The Virgin Birth
or
B. The Blessed Mother's perpetual virginity

Let's look at both options:

If the answer is A, I would agree that there are pagan cultures that have legends of virgin births. I would also, agree that to a non-believer, the idea of a virgin giving birth to a child would require some form of magic. However, YOU consider yourself a Christian, so why would a Christian consider the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ to be pagan magic?

Now, if the answer is B, I suppose there are some pagan cultures that have at times placed a value on virginity, but this is usually in preparation of a sacrifice. The notion of a woman remaining a lifelong virgin was known in the Greco-Roman culture, but it was also practiced among some Jews, so I fail to see how this would be considered pagan. As far as magic, I suppose in the 21st century it might be highly unusual for a woman to maintain her virginity throughout her life; it would certainly require self-discipline, but not magic.

9,499 posted on 10/08/2010 10:47:01 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg
but it was also practiced among some Jews

Where is this found,

9,503 posted on 10/08/2010 10:53:44 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee
Happy to clarify.

It is paganism to believe Mary was born sinless, lived a sinless life and died sinless. It is paganism to believe Mary was bodily assumed into heaven. It is paganism to believe Mary is a "co-redeemer" or "co-mediator" or "queen of heaven," and a thousand other blasphemous titles Rome gives to a simple Jewish girl who was blessed by God to carry the Christ child to term.

It is also paganism to insist that Mary had to remain a virgin for her entire life and thus make a mockery of her marriage vows before God.

We still call Jimmy Carter "President Carter," but that does not mean he is still the President. Same with "the virgin Mary."

9,506 posted on 10/08/2010 10:58:15 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg

Busted. Dr. Eckleburg tried to pass off the virgin birth as “magic.”


9,507 posted on 10/08/2010 10:58:53 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: wagglebee
And all this blasphemous claptrap concerning Mary literally detracts from the miracle of the virgin birth of Christ.

Rome misdirects all the attention and accolades to the vessel rather than to the miracle which the vessel was carrying.

9,509 posted on 10/08/2010 11:01:33 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee

Why is it so important to others that she’s nobody? Why are they so threatened by Mary?


9,526 posted on 10/08/2010 11:26:56 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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