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To: RnMomof7
Why? jesus came to be born INTO the human experience, not protected from it.. He came to eat and drink with winebibbers and tax collectors ..Christ came to walk the same dirty roads and get His feet soiled and cut just like his apostles..

Ok, let's see. If Mary was sinful, what would happen if Almighty God Himself came to inhabit her for 9 months? The Church has understood from the Apostolic times that she was not sinful. No doubt you guys surpass the Apostles.

His mother was responsible for His humanness , His DNA, His human nature.. The Father was the author of His divinity . He did not need a goddess mother to be God incarnate

Will the Reformed heresy never end? I thought that the Church had rid the world of you guys in the first millennium. What you preach is not Christianity, not your Trinitarian beliefs or anything else.

BTW The ark of the covenant was Jesus not Mary, unless she is the judge of the world and needs a Mercy seat upon her.. Tha ark led the people into battle.. Mark the OT is all about CHRIST not His mother

The Ark carried God. You might want to head on back to the OT and read up on the Ark.

EXACTLY that is why Marys spiritual condition was of no consequence

Wow; that's all I can say - wow. Do you now see why see why we doubt whether the Reformed are Christian.

9,121 posted on 10/06/2010 5:53:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; RnMomof7
If Mary was sinful, what would happen if Almighty God Himself came to inhabit her for 9 months?

Um, nothing.

Sin isn't transmitted by contact, nor is sinfulness, nor the sin nature.

The sin nature is inherited from the father, not contact with the mother.

The Ark carried God. You might want to head on back to the OT and read up on the Ark.

Jesus' body carried God.

There is not one verse in Scripture which indicates that the ark foreshadowed Mary. That's merely a Catholic construct used to justify the claim that she was immaculately conceived.

9,171 posted on 10/06/2010 9:41:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Ok, let's see. If Mary was sinful, what would happen if Almighty God Himself came to inhabit her for 9 months? The Church has understood from the Apostolic times that she was not sinful. No doubt you guys surpass the Apostles.

Mark Jesus walked on this sin filled earth for 33 years.. He ate with sinners, in fact He said he did not come for the righteous, but for sinners.. Catholics believe that they eat the actual flesh of Christ at communion, are they sinless? The church fathers were not in agreement on the "sinlessness" of Mary and to imply so is misleading.. There is not reference to Mary being born without sin by any apostle or scripture writer. Jesus Himself said this

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

He never said that about His mother, in fact He made clear that those that believe in Him have the same position as His mother

The Ark carried God. You might want to head on back to the OT and read up on the Ark.

Ohhh Mark, the ark was a type of Christ .. only Catholics could take what was to prefigure Christ and make it about Mary

"The ark of the Covenant was a picture of Jesus Christ. The Acacia wood speaks of the indestructible humanity of Jesus. He was 100% man. God Himself became flesh and suffered the agonies of the human experience. He was tempted, He was weary, He thirsted, He had to learn the Scriptures and learn obedience and to hear God's voice and be led by the Spirit as a man. Not only does the Acacia wood tell us that He was 100% man but the pure gold that overlayed the wood teaches us that He was 100% God. Jesus said "unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins." He used the same words (Heb. eheyay asher aheyay) as when the Lord spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Jewish Messiah was none other than Jehovah Himself visiting His people and becoming their savior by dying for the sins of the world and that is the etymology of the name Jesus (Heb. Y'shua 'Yaweh has become salvation'). Jesus condemned the religious leaders for not recognizing "the day of their visitation."

The crown of gold around the top of the ark speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus overcame the onslaught of opposition that was set against Him His whole life by the religious leaders, the wealthy Jewish aristocracy, Rome itself, and even all the power of the enemy. He overcame even death itself and rose triumphantly and was given a crown, and glory, and honor, because He is the King. According to John it was Jesus who Isaiah saw seated on the throne of glory with the angels crying 'holy, holy, holy.'

The unbroken tables of stone set forth Jesus as the One who perfectly kept the Law and never broke God's Commandments. The Bible says that He "committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth." Jesus felt the pressure of temptation at its full intensity yet he never sinned. Even the look in His eye and the tone of His voice reflected the very perfections of the holiness of God Himself. Aaron's rod that budded also speaks of Jesus. Something that had died and supernaturally came to life again. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life." The golden pot of manna speaks of Jesus as the bread of life who came down from heaven to bring food, the Word of God, to a world in darkness and dying of hunger.

It all points to Jesus. Even the golden poles speak of the ever living and ever present Savior who is with us in all our journeying and will never leave us nor forsake us. If you were to examine the history of the ark there would be striking resemblances to the ministry of Jesus our Lord:

The ark went before the people - Jesus went before them:

John 10:4 "And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. The ark was in the middle of God's people - Jesus is in His people: John 14:20 "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. The people were to follow the ark - We are to follow Jesus:

Luke 5:27-28 After these things He went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, "Follow Me." So he left all, rose up, and followed Him. And on and on, the ark was always first to lead them. It was death to those that were enemies of God. The ark brought blessings and curses.

Isa 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

1 Pet 2:22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,

Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

Jn 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

The ark was representative of the real ark in heaven.

he Mercy Seat was the lid or cover of solid gold on the ark. 'The Mercy Seat' (Ex 25:17-22) Ps 99:1 The LORD reigns; let the peoples tremble! He dwells between the cherubim; let the earth be moved!

After the children of Israel had journeyed to Mount Sinai God told Moses on the mountain that He would pitch His tent among them on their journeys:

Exod 25:8-9 "And let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them. According to all that I show you, that is, the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all its furnishings, just so you shall make it."

The Greek word for Mercy Seat is 'hilasterion'. It is used here in Romans 3:25 where Paul says (literally) that God presented Christ as a propitiation or 'mercy seat'. This means that Jesus Christ is the mercy seat.

The Mercy Seat did not derive its worth from the purity of its gold but from the fact that it was the place where the blood of sacrifice was sprinkled in the presence of Yahweh.

The word for "mercy seat" is the same root for the word "atonement". It means to cover, cancel, appease, or cleanse.

The Greek equivalent is the word "propitiation".

Mark the Catholic church has made a humble girl a goddess ..looking for types of her and not looking to Christ..

Look to Christ !

9,224 posted on 10/07/2010 8:36:48 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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