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To: Legatus; MarkBsnr; stfassisi
Catholics don’t believe in total depravity, if some protestants want to believe in it we’ll take them at their word I suppose. If someone believes in total depravity then their world view is obviously colored by that belief.

It might come as a shock to stfassisi and MarkBsnr that they are classed as "Protestants".

stfassisi has disowned the "totally depraved" claim as "sarcasm". I don't know whether MarkBsnr has gotten the message yet.

Just as a Catholic who believes in Baptismal regeneration had better behave like a regenerated creature... and frankly, Protestants should hold us to it.

Protestants hold no sway over Catholics, nor should they. Police your own.

You've been around for some time now and I am surprised at your apparent naive belief that you know what individual Catholics believe.

Same Catechism? Yes!

Same knowledge, understanding, and practice of Catholic Teaching? Absolutely not!

8,479 posted on 10/04/2010 8:56:18 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
It might come as a shock to stfassisi and MarkBsnr that they are classed as "Protestants".

stfassisi has disowned the "totally depraved" claim as "sarcasm". I don't know whether MarkBsnr has gotten the message yet.

Let's just say that the Calvinist belief that all men are totally depraved does not mesh with the Catholic beliefs at all. Catholics believe that someone can be if they work at it, whereas Calvinists believe that all men are, before the select few are hijacked by the Reformed Holy Spirit.

You can be as Reformed as you wanna be...

Same knowledge, understanding, and practice of Catholic Teaching? Absolutely not!

Analogy: the school classroom. Same teacher, same primer, same curriculum, same homework. Are all the students equal in understanding when the class ends?

8,483 posted on 10/04/2010 9:10:44 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
It might come as a shock to stfassisi and MarkBsnr that they are classed as "Protestants".

I don't know why you misinterpret almost everything I write, I don't know if it's me or if it's you. It shouldn't come as a massive shock that I'm inclined to believe it's you.

I'm not calling stfassisi and MarkBsnr Protestants, I'm saying that if people want to believe in total depravity we Catholics (among whom I include stfassisi and MarkBsnr) might as well let them.

Catholics don't believe in total depravity, Calvinists believe in total depravity: Since a Calvinist believes in total depravity that belief is going to color everything. IF Calvinist A believes in total depravity, fine, let him be totally depraved, at least it's consistent with what he believes.

Therefore the statement "Only a mind that believes in total depravity would..." can easily work as "only a totally depraved mind of a Calvinist would..." Good grief, how can it even be an insult when it's a foundational belief of the whole crazy system? See, "crazy system" is insulting because Calvinists don't believe their system is crazy, but totally depraved shouldn't be because THEY BELIEVE IN TOTAL DEPRAVITY. At the same time Catholics don't believe in total depravity so we don't see everything and everyone around us as totally depraved, including ourselves.

Of course this has nothing to do with the Unitarian doctrine of Total Ridiculousness. Probably... maybe...

8,488 posted on 10/04/2010 9:46:57 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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