[1000 silverlings]

Well you are talking to a Baptist— ironically we dont believe that baptism saves anyone

[D-fendr]

There's lots of different Baptists beliefs - I think they're proud of that.

we dont believe that baptism saves anyone

The question regarding double predestination is whether anything - other than the fact of whether they were born saved or doomed - CAN save or condemn anyone. Whether anything change in salvation at all is possible after the person is conceived.

Double predestination says no.

[Jaded]

John 3:4-6

4”How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”

5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.