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To: MarkBsnr; redgolum
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=6770#6770

I'm afraid that post answers nothing. I did ask redgolum for the Biblical reference(s) to Enoch and have not yet received an answer.

In any event, we are speaking of two entirely different era"s; The Old Testament, and The New Testament.

I ask you to show any instances of Jesus, during His time on this earth, raising a single "Saint" to Heaven.

You, on the other hand, have many New Testament era "Saints" in Heaven. Who "raised" them if not MEN?

6,834 posted on 09/23/2010 2:21:56 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I'm afraid that post answers nothing. I did ask redgolum for the Biblical reference(s) to Enoch and have not yet received an answer.

I will not presume to speak for someone else, but I did post the relevant verses from Genesis 5:22-24.

I ask you to show any instances of Jesus, during His time on this earth, raising a single "Saint" to Heaven.

Since the Church does not do it either, what is the relevance?

You, on the other hand, have many New Testament era "Saints" in Heaven. Who "raised" them if not MEN?

The Church raises nobody to Heaven. We do not "have" or "raise" people anywhere; neither do we condemn them to hell. That is for Jesus the Christ. I'm still a little puzzled as to where you are going here.

6,837 posted on 09/23/2010 3:29:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I was at work and with my daughter, so my Freeping time is very small.

Gen. 5:24 is the typical verse. Tranditionaly scholars say that Enoch did not die, but was taken by God.


6,841 posted on 09/23/2010 5:11:14 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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