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To: stfassisi; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom
I gave you scripture...Catholics are free to ignore the scriptures at their own peril . One does not need to believe in the wrath of God to experience it

I wonder what Catholics think Christ suffered on the cross or why He did it..

6,568 posted on 09/21/2010 1:27:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: RnMomof7

“”I wonder what Catholics think Christ suffered on the cross or why He did it.””

He did it to destroy death and for our Salvation that shows us love is stronger than death and sin

Let’s use the words of Blessed JP II since you want to single him out

From world youth day speech 2003
We Wish to see Jesus
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/messages/youth/documents/hf_jp-ii_mes_20040301_xix-world-youth-day_en.html

Do not be surprised, then, when you meet the Cross on your way. Did not Jesus say to his disciples that the grain of wheat must fall into the earth and die in order to bear much fruit (cf. Jn 12:23-26)? He was indicating in this way that his life given unto death would bear fruit. You know this: after the resurrection of Christ, death shall no longer have the last word. Love is stronger than death. If Jesus accepted death on the cross, thus making it the source of life and the sign of love, he did so not out of weakness, or because he wished to suffer. He did so to gain our salvation and to allow us henceforth to take part in his divine life-Pope John Paul II


6,570 posted on 09/21/2010 2:53:27 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: RnMomof7
I gave you scripture

You dumped a series of explained one liners from the OT, plus a one liner from Paul, plus a small quote from Jeremiah and another from Nahum.

Catholics are free to ignore the scriptures at their own peril

We believe that quotations from Jesus carry more weight than those of Nahum. We look to those first.

One does not need to believe in the wrath of God to experience it

The teachings of Jesus include the offer of universal love and mercy. The only wrath is directed at those who reject Him; their behaviour or non behaviour is met with repercussions. All of Matthew 25 is most instructive.

I wonder what Catholics think Christ suffered on the cross or why He did it..

From the Catechism's summaries:

619 "Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures" (I Cor 15:3).

620 Our salvation flows from God's initiative of love for us, because "he loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins" (I Jn 4:10). "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself" (2 Cor 5:19).

621 Jesus freely offered himself for our salvation. Beforehand, during the Last Supper, he both symbolized this offering and made it really present: "This is my body which is given for you" (Lk 22:19).

622 The redemption won by Christ consists in this, that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many" (Mt 20:28), that is, he "loved [his own] to the end" (Jn 13:1), so that they might be "ransomed from the futile ways inherited from [their] fathers" (I Pt 1:18).

623 By his loving obedience to the Father, "unto death, even death on a cross" (Phil 2:8), Jesus fulfills the atoning mission (cf. Is 53:10) of the suffering Servant, who will "make many righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities" (Is 53:11; cf. Rom 5:19).

A ransom, to reclaim us all from the fallen or wounded state that came to us in the Garden.

6,591 posted on 09/21/2010 4:45:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Caholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7
One does not need to believe in the wrath of God to experience it

Chillingly accurate.

I wonder what Catholics think Christ suffered on the cross or why He did it..

They think He's a fairly good example of suffering so they inflict as much pain as possible on themselves and others in order to become as good and as suffering as Him.

6,634 posted on 09/22/2010 12:52:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
"I wonder what Catholics think.."

You have often asserted that you know what Catholics think and believe, having been one yourself. Are you now losing confidence, do you honestly not know what we think, or were you just being rhetorical?

6,676 posted on 09/22/2010 8:17:39 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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